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**How should I make my case to PSA?** HELP Need opinions...PSA will not add my cards to player's mas
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***I am going to give this one more shot with the registry department. How do you think I should make my case with them? The Marino card seems to be the best example as it is allowed, although it has no mention of his name anywhere on the card.
I really did not like being told cards were allowed, then investing a lot of money into them, only to be told when I officially requested them that they were not.
Also, I don't like how it seems like the registry department is trying to cover their tracks. First they said the cards were allowed. Then I requested a card that I knew would be up in the air, "1980 Topps Stanley Cup Semi-Finals" they declined the card (which was okay with me) but then they began declining every card after that which had a similar title without even asking for scans. I mentioned to them it was okay, that maybe it was an error, but they keep covering their tracks by saying..
1) card is allowed
2) then declining the card without asking for a scan (figuring it was like the 1980 Topps Semi-Final card)
3) then saying the card is not allowed because it is a "team card"
4) then saying the card is not allowed because it does not "feature the player"
5) then saying the card is not allowed because it does not have the player's name
6) then saying it is not allowed because it is a two piece team card, and two piece team cards are not allowed
7) and telling me to look at beckett for reference on how a card is titled (if I was interested in beckett, I would have them grade my item...I mean, is that what PSA does? Do they refer to beckett when labeling cards?)
Patrick
…First, let me say, the set registry team at PSA has been very helpful over the past several months while I have been working on my Mike Bossy Master Set.
I have been collecting his cards raw for a few years now and waited for the perfect time to submit them to PSA for grading, which was the April special.
It has been my goal to make the set as comprehensive as possible, that is, I would like for every Mike Bossy card that is eligible to be included in his set.
This is where my problem comes in: I have at least three cards that I believe should absolutely be added to his set and according to the set registry department, they do not meet the criteria. I have been in constant email with more than one member (including the assistant manager) of the set registry department, and each time they continue declining the cards.
Pictured below are the cards. These are actually stickers that when put together make a “team photo” Mike Bossy is pictured in the first of the two, that is cards numbered: 17, 3, and 3…Personally, because both stickers are required to make the photo, I believe that both should be added to the set. I understand that the card without Bossy is subjective, but PSA will not even acknowledge the halves that Bossy is on.
PSA has requested a scan of almost every card that was in question. Recently I tried adding a subjective card, “1982 TOPPS STANLEY CUP SEMI-FINALS” PSA asked for a scan of the card and I sent it to them. Then they denied the card, and after that began denying every card that was in question, without even asking for a scan.
Patrick
I really did not like being told cards were allowed, then investing a lot of money into them, only to be told when I officially requested them that they were not.
Also, I don't like how it seems like the registry department is trying to cover their tracks. First they said the cards were allowed. Then I requested a card that I knew would be up in the air, "1980 Topps Stanley Cup Semi-Finals" they declined the card (which was okay with me) but then they began declining every card after that which had a similar title without even asking for scans. I mentioned to them it was okay, that maybe it was an error, but they keep covering their tracks by saying..
1) card is allowed
2) then declining the card without asking for a scan (figuring it was like the 1980 Topps Semi-Final card)
3) then saying the card is not allowed because it is a "team card"
4) then saying the card is not allowed because it does not "feature the player"
5) then saying the card is not allowed because it does not have the player's name
6) then saying it is not allowed because it is a two piece team card, and two piece team cards are not allowed
7) and telling me to look at beckett for reference on how a card is titled (if I was interested in beckett, I would have them grade my item...I mean, is that what PSA does? Do they refer to beckett when labeling cards?)
Patrick
…First, let me say, the set registry team at PSA has been very helpful over the past several months while I have been working on my Mike Bossy Master Set.
I have been collecting his cards raw for a few years now and waited for the perfect time to submit them to PSA for grading, which was the April special.
It has been my goal to make the set as comprehensive as possible, that is, I would like for every Mike Bossy card that is eligible to be included in his set.
This is where my problem comes in: I have at least three cards that I believe should absolutely be added to his set and according to the set registry department, they do not meet the criteria. I have been in constant email with more than one member (including the assistant manager) of the set registry department, and each time they continue declining the cards.
Pictured below are the cards. These are actually stickers that when put together make a “team photo” Mike Bossy is pictured in the first of the two, that is cards numbered: 17, 3, and 3…Personally, because both stickers are required to make the photo, I believe that both should be added to the set. I understand that the card without Bossy is subjective, but PSA will not even acknowledge the halves that Bossy is on.
PSA has requested a scan of almost every card that was in question. Recently I tried adding a subjective card, “1982 TOPPS STANLEY CUP SEMI-FINALS” PSA asked for a scan of the card and I sent it to them. Then they denied the card, and after that began denying every card that was in question, without even asking for a scan.
Patrick
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<< <i>None of the cards shown are Mike Bossy cards. They are no different than any other action shot from any other random card of any other player from any other set from any other sport that happens to show the player you are collecting. If they accepted these cards, they would have to accept every team card that shows every player that currently is in the registry. >>
I believe PSA does accept team cards for master sets.
<< <i>None of the cards shown are Mike Bossy cards. They are no different than any other action shot from any other random card of any other player from any other set from any other sport that happens to show the player you are collecting. If they accepted these cards, they would have to accept every team card that shows every player that currently is in the registry. >>
but team photo checklists are allowed...
Also, I talked with the PSA set registry team on the phone before I sent these in for grading. The woman said that they would be allowed, but the second half, which does not have the player, would be in question. The assistant manager of the PSA set registry team told me after the cards were denied that whoever told me that information was wrong...which means (because I sent multiples of each card for better chance of a high grade) that I spent money on grading fees for approximately 30 cards that I do not even now need.
Patrick
<< <i>I believe PSA does accept team cards for master sets. >>
Not true. I have tried to submit modern team cards for player registry sets and had them denied. However, there are many "vintage" team cards that are allowed in player sets. Why? I don't know.
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<< <i>I believe PSA does accept team cards for master sets. >>
Not true. I have tried to submit modern team cards for player registry sets and had them denied. However, there are many "vintage" team cards that are allowed in player sets. Why? I don't know. >>
As long as the team card was originally issued while the player was active in his/her sport, then it is allowed.
<< <i>Just a quick example because it came to mind thanks to a recent group rip, 2001 Topps Yankees team card is not in teh Jeter master set. >>
just curious, was this Yankees card submitted to PSA and declined?
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<< <i>I believe PSA does accept team cards for master sets. >>
Not true. I have tried to submit modern team cards for player registry sets and had them denied. However, there are many "vintage" team cards that are allowed in player sets. Why? I don't know. >>
I know the '81 Royals Team card is in the Brett Master set, so it seems like an '81 Isles card should be included in the Bossy master.
<< <i>I know the '81 Royals Team card is in the Brett Master set, so it seems like an '81 Isles card should be included in the Bossy master. >>
Joe Orlando is a Royals fan and hates hockey?
second they have been very inconsistent with what team cards will be allowed. they really want the players name listed on the card. which could be why the stickers are not included. does the back of the card state Bossy on it? if not that is probably why its not allowed. in my mind i dont like to see either type in any master set. its really not the players card. its a team card.
their lack of knowledge probably is what results in the inconsistent decisions that appear to be made. for example, how can they keep included cards which PSA doesnt grade anymore in sets??
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one - Sticker cards 3, 3, and 17 absolutely should be allowed. They are team cards and if these are not allowed then PSA needs to remove all "team cards" from player's sets.
two - I was told by the set registry team that above sticker cards would be allowed before I submitted them to PSA for grading. Now that they have changed their minds I have wasted a lot of money in grading fees and in collecting the cards raw (1981 OPC Stickers are not cheap).
In all seriousness I am honestly considering just not accepting my 2009 registry award and getting rid of the cards altogether. I do not think that I want to participate in collecting a set that will never be complete. More importantly I don't like being lied to and swindled out of money (not saying that PSA swindled me as obviously they didn't, it just feels as if they did).
Here is one of the emails I received from PSA:
Hi Patrick,
I’m don’t know who you spoke with that would say that the 1981 and 1982 stickers that were included in your scans would qualify for the Mike Bossy player set as these are not Mike Bossy cards. The 1981 OPC Stickers #17 and #18 only show half a team. In order for a “Team” card to qualify for a player set it must show the team in its entirety.
Regarding the 1980 Topps #262 card, this card is labeled correctly. If you check the Beckett Hockey Card Price Guide this card is listed as Stanley Cup Semifinals Islanders-Sabres and this is how PSA labeled it. It is a playoff card, not a Mike Bossy card. Therefore it does not qualify for the Mike Bossy set.
This information is posted on the set request page:
Master Player Sets:
All cards, with the exception of unique or very limited edition cards, are accepted in the Master player sets. If a player is featured on a team set card, it will be allowed. Cards which may feature a player in the background but make no mention of the player on the card are not allowed.
Thank you
A big bruhaha developed over that when the Yankee team cards were included in some Mantle player sets
Steve
The reason Jeter does not have a 2001 team card in his master set is simply no one requested it.
The reason some vintage sets have team cards in them is because people requested it and it was approved.
I should add that just because something is requested that does not mean that it will be approved.
Some times they will poll all the active members of a particular set and see how they feel.
other times they will ram it down your throat.
Steve
<< <i>well first off the people at the set registry know nothing about cards. how do i know, well i have been told that a gold version of a multi-player card would not be allowed in my Favre master set because it doesnt say his name on the card. this was after seeing a scan. well then i pointed out that it sure did on the front and that the silver version was already in the set.
second they have been very inconsistent with what team cards will be allowed. they really want the players name listed on the card. which could be why the stickers are not included. does the back of the card state Bossy on it? if not that is probably why its not allowed. in my mind i dont like to see either type in any master set. its really not the players card. its a team card.
their lack of knowledge probably is what results in the inconsistent decisions that appear to be made. for example, how can they keep included cards which PSA doesnt grade anymore in sets?? >>
PSA's rule is this (this is from the above email I received from them)
Master Player Sets:
All cards, with the exception of unique or very limited edition card, are accepted in the Master player sets. If a player is featured on a team set card, it will be allowed. Cards which may feature a player in the background but make no mention of the player on the card are not allowed.
I agree with you 100% PSA's "rule" to not allow unique cards into a player's master set is understandable (for cards that are like 1/5 or 1/10 et cetera) but your gold card should be allowed, my goodness, shouldn't you as a collector of a player's set be rewarded for suh a nice card?
PSA's set registry rules need major restructuring. It's nothing but inconsistent and subjective. Where does it say that two-piece team cards are not allowed? That rule was made up on the spot. If it is on their website now then it was just put on there after I brought it up, as a cover up.
Patrick
<< <i>On the Playoff card, I'm surprised they would not add that one. I know when I was working on a Reggie Jackson set, they have the 1975 Topps World Series card "A's Do It Again" as part of his set. While he is pictured with other players on the card, his name is not mentioned on the front, yet it is part of the set. Seems like the same as the card you were trying to get added. >>
I saw that A's card (as I've been looking for examples in people's sets to use for mine) and I believe that the A's card has Jackson's statistics for the series, my playoff card does not (but I was pretty sure anyways that my Islanders card would not be accepted, I took a chance on it, but the sticker cards 3, 3, and 17 I confirmed with PSA's set registry department before sending in for grading).
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<< <i>I wouldn't quit collecting over it . It does get frustrating especially with these types of cards but if you feel it belongs open yourself up a
photobucket and display your collection. You manage what goes in and out. >>
You're right, this is very frustrating, but I just would like to get credit for having the card in my collection. Those 1981 stickers are tough to find and I was excited to get them back in gem mint condition. I thought that I was going after something that could be added to my player set, but if not then I would have just collected them raw.
<< <i>...but the sticker cards 3, 3, and 17 I confirmed with PSA's set registry department before sending in for grading). >>
Were you clear in your questioning that the 3/3/17 stickers were in fact halves of an overall picture? If not, perhaps whoever you were talking to either misunderstood, or didn't know squat about the format of the stickers. If this has already been covered in a previous post, my apologies.
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<< <i>...but the sticker cards 3, 3, and 17 I confirmed with PSA's set registry department before sending in for grading). >>
Were you clear in your questioning that the 3/3/17 stickers were in fact halves of an overall picture? If not, perhaps whoever you were talking to either misunderstood, or didn't know squat about the format of the stickers. If this has already been covered in a previous post, my apologies. >>
I had a very lengthy and informative conversation with the set registry department where I explained how the cards did not have the player's name anywhere and were actually two pieces that when put together would be one whole picture. She said that the first half that had the player would be allowed but the second half would be in question.
<< <i>This card is in the Marino Master and nowhere is Dan Marino's name mentioned.
And his name is not featured anywhere on the card!
<< <i>this honestly upsets you? im just saying. >>
It really does.
I searched and bought many raw stickers (again the 81's are tough to find and expensive) sifted through the good stickers, mailed a few of each to PSA for grading so that I could add the best grade of each to my master set. Then PSA makes up some rule, on the spot, that half stickers of teams are not allowed.
or does one need to have a card graded before they can even request it?
Steve
<< <i>Shouldn't a person wait until a card is accepted as part of the set before getting them graded?
or does one need to have a card graded before they can even request it?
Steve >>
You have to get the card graded first before you can request it to the set. Before I submitted these stickers I wanted to be clear that PSA would accept them in the set, otherwise I would not have even bothered.
edit to add: you also have to have the card in your possession, so you cannot say, "PSA can you add this card...but why not it is one you have graded in the past."
They don't say his name on them at all and its not even a real picture. Good luck! Payton Game
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<< <i>I think Mullins5 is right as the standards/guidelines do not appear to be the same accross the board. Is this a case of keeping the hockey guys down?
If it is just a case of keeping the hockey man down I apologize to PSA and support the decision.
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I really did not like being told cards were allowed, then investing a lot of money into them, only to be told when I officially requested them that they were not.
Also, I don't like how it seems like the registry department is trying to cover their tracks. First they said the cards were allowed. Then I requested a card that I knew would be up in the air, "1980 Topps Stanley Cup Semi-Finals" they declined the card (which was okay with me) but then they began declining every card after that which had a similar title without even asking for scans. I mentioned to them it was okay, that maybe it was an error, but they keep covering their tracks by saying..
1) card is allowed
2) then declining the card without asking for a scan (figuring it was like the 1980 Topps Semi-Final card)
3) then saying the card is not allowed because it is a "team card"
4) then saying the card is not allowed because it does not "feature the player"
5) then saying the card is not allowed because it does not have the player's name
6) then saying it is not allowed because it is a two piece team card, and two piece team cards are not allowed
7) and telling me to look at beckett for reference on how a card is titled (if I was interested in beckett, I would have them grade my item...I mean, is that what PSA does? Do they refer to beckett when labeling cards?)
Patrick
a.) nothing
b.) the inconsistent cards are removed from their sets
c.) your cards are added
pm me if you need his address. i also have a card that i can scan that you can include to counter the marino that you have shown.
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<< <i>if you are going to do anything i would email joe o. plead your case there. bring up all the inconsistency in the player set category and see what happens.
a.) nothing
b.) the inconsistent cards are removed from their sets
c.) your cards are added
pm me if you need his address. i also have a card that i can scan that you can include to counter the marino that you have shown. >>
pm sent
<< <i>Ive had sort of the same problem with my Andy Van Slyke master set, they are dead set on including a "regional" issue, Metz bakeries, which I have never heard of the company. Its a moot point now that I got a PSA 10, but I see where you are coming from. >>
Why wouldn't they include this in the master set? Just because it's a regional you haven't heard of doesn't mean it shouldn't be in there. It's in both the SCD and Beckett almanacs and isn't that obscure of a set.
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certain player sets. In some cases the player is not even on the card. Early 60's
Yanks team cards for example.
I could see an in action or a league leader card and even a card where the player can be seen
on another players card but a team card?
Steve
<< <i>Why would you quit collecting because a card can't be added to the registry at this time? You sound like a whiner when you stated that. You got the card graded, it's part of your PC....I'll give you credit for that....does that make you feel better? As for you Master set, I do think the "team cards" with Bossy on them should be added as it does seem inconsistent with other players...as for the other half of the team card with Mike Bossy on it, that quite wouldn't make sense, would it? An issue I see happening are cards with the player in the foreground or background of, another named player, trying to be added to Master Sets... >>
When I said quit collecting what I meant was to dismantle my PSA set and collect raw. Not leave the hobby.
I don't think I am a "whiner" by saying that I may no longer give a professional company my money after receiving unprofessional service.
I know the second half of the team cards, that do not feature Bossy, are very subjective and I can understand why they would not be allowed.
<< <i>A can of worms was opened when they allowed some team cards to be added into
certain player sets. In some cases the player is not even on the card. Early 60's
Yanks team cards for example.
I could see an in action or a league leader card and even a card where the player can be seen
on another players card but a team card?
Steve >>
...but as long as team cards are allowed, and as long as the player is on the card...allow it!
Mike
<< <i>tunahead, you are correct. I meant to say the basic set. >>
Ok, that makes more sense