Looks AT to me. Just because it's in a PCGS slab doesn't prove that it's not AT.
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<< <i>Looks AT to me. Just because it's in a PCGS slab doesn't prove that it's not AT. >>
Ditto......
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
i tend to feel this coin is NT. And i'm going to tell you why.
-toning is arranged in natural pattern. Although the pictures don't light up the fields too well on the obverse, it appears as a target toner. Reverse is also a target toner but farther along in the spectrum. Hence, my next point.
-color progression is natural, following Sunnywood's chart. Now, the orange in the center of the obverse has likely been brought out by juicing the photos but it should be the Class 1 orange because it's followed by the light blue. The color progression gets farther along as you get closer to the rim. Reverse appears as a Class 2 green and red followed by a little Class 3 green around some parts of the rim.
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1. I have no idea if this coin is AT or NT. 2. I'm not talking about the posters in this thread. << If they own coins that are bought ans sold, then they are fair game to be talked about, (the coins). No one is talking bad about the seller/poster.
but 3. The declaration of AT seems to be always given with no explanation--like it's a gut feeling or something. He asked what we thought.
4. Sometimes I wonder if there aren't people out there who declare every wildly toned coin AT.
5. So if you do have a wildly colored NT coin will a large percentage of the viewers state, "definitely AT"? Imnot saying its AT one way or another. Just my opinion. Its a piece of silver from 88. Sorry, but the toning looks AT and it looks like a clown coin or something. These are the coins are modern silver and rainbow toned in les than 20 years... That smells fishy to me.
Sorry, but when I see a silver coin with wildly colorful toning that is selling for a huge premium due to the color, I'm more than a little skeptical that the coin didn't have some help.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise.
These things can tone up very quickly if left in the correct environment.....not even using heat or chemicals.....just left say on a dresser exposed to the elements etc. I wouldn't be suprised if this coins was put into some sort of cardboard holder for a number of years....decide for yourself if that's AT or NT but I will still call that NT. Now as for the images.....you can see very intense light used above the coin to enhance the colors.....will this coin look like this in hand......yes if you hold it under a light source but maybe not if you just pull it out of the pacgage in the living room. I think a lot of folks state AT in cases like this due to the images when the coin may not appear so neon in hand
I have a 2005-S silver dime graded in a an ANI holder (it says pr70 dcam not that it matters). ANYWAY- I bought the coin about 3 years ago when it was what we can call "fresh" and its color was just as a brand new proof should be-... silver!. Anyway- the coin has been sitting in my room for the last 3 years and Ive been (for the last 3 years) as the coin gets more and more colorful. it started out in one small area and now it covers almost 60% of the head and the front of the coin as well. the reverse is moving at a slower pace but its getting there as well. in fact- most of my silver coins that were encased in ANI holders seem to get some color after 1 year or so. Maybe its just the holders or maybe its the air in my room (as many of my coins that I left in a drawer (unslabbed) for over 2 years came out toned when I recently them out). dont know what does it to them but I will say that Ive never done anything to them to make the color change or something. and ps- I love whatever happens to them bc I get almost $50 for $2 colored dime in the ANI Holder!!!
<< <i>1. I have no idea if this coin is AT or NT. 2. I'm not talking about the posters in this thread.
but 3. The declaration of AT seems to be always given with no explanation--like it's a gut feeling or something.
4. Sometimes I wonder if there aren't people out there who declare every wildly toned coin AT.
5. So if you do have a wildly colored NT coin will a large percentage of the viewers state, "definitely AT"?
--Jerry >>
I've collected and stored SAE's since 1986 in both air tites with a foam insert, original mint capsules and a DANSCO. The only thing the airtites or mint capsules do is milk spot for those coins that are inclined to milk spot. Zero Toning!
The DANSCO coins turn a "muddy" brown on the edges closest to the spine (where the most air gets in). .. Again, zero "beautiful" toning.
The ONLY time I have seen a wildly colored SAE (and these will tone up nicely since they are .999 fine solver) is to deliberately store it incorrectly like in a Taco Bell Napkin, or in the open with no protection on an open shelf (in a closet like Bochiman) or perhaps in a sulphur laden manila envelope.
All three methods above could be considered AT but I think it depends upon the coin and the owners attitude. In other words if the owner comes on and spouts about how gorgeous the coin is and what he did to achieve those colors, then AT.
I suppose it is possible that some uninformed people are out there that store their SAE's out in the open or in a clothing dresser drawer or some other crazy place and then out of the blue they put it in their pocket (or purse) and decide to sell it to the local coin dealer for melt and that dealer then decides to ship it off to PCGS where PCGS will look at it, wonder about the toning, realize that .999 silver does tone up real pretty, and then decide to slab it with a couple of point deduction because they really do not know if its AT or not and then the dealer sells it to some numb nut for rediculous money...................
...............but I'm not buying it.
Either the coin or the story!
I could not say with ABSOLUTE certainty that this is true but my spidey senses tell me no. Again, I cannot say with ABSOLUTE certainty but that coin was either deliberately stored improperly or its been messed with. Especially since its a proof coin! Nobody and I do mean nobody (even idiots), removes their proof coins from the protective mint capsule, that they all come in, and simply stores it in a dresser drawer! (PS, a DANSCO or other coin folder simply does produce that vivid of toning.)
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise. >>
BS!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>I have a 2005-S silver dime graded in a an ANI holder (it says pr70 dcam not that it matters). ANYWAY- I bought the coin about 3 years ago when it was what we can call "fresh" and its color was just as a brand new proof should be-... silver!. Anyway- the coin has been sitting in my room for the last 3 years and Ive been (for the last 3 years) as the coin gets more and more colorful. it started out in one small area and now it covers almost 60% of the head and the front of the coin as well. the reverse is moving at a slower pace but its getting there as well. in fact- most of my silver coins that were encased in ANI holders seem to get some color after 1 year or so. Maybe its just the holders or maybe its the air in my room (as many of my coins that I left in a drawer (unslabbed) for over 2 years came out toned when I recently them out). dont know what does it to them but I will say that Ive never done anything to them to make the color change or something. and ps- I love whatever happens to them bc I get almost $50 for $2 colored dime in the ANI Holder!!! >>
Provide pictures please.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise. >>
BS! >>
Agree. Someone needs to cut back on the Kool Aid and start thinking independently.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I have alot of silver coins and alot of toned silver dollars, toned in alot of different ways, but when I see a coin like that in my mind I say AT, no scientific reason and I have read about toning progressions and I believe alot of that, but looking at this I find it hard for anyone that has been looking at coins for awhile to conclude NT. That does not mean it does not look great, each person has an eye for different types of coins. Opinion> NT> no scientific reasoning just common sense. Maybe it is when they look that perfect?
<< <i>Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise. >>
Pat, I happen to like it, as always you find some nice inventory.
<< <i>I have alot of silver coins and alot of toned silver dollars, toned in alot of different ways, but when I see a coin like that in my mind I say AT, no scientific reason and I have read about toning progressions and I believe alot of that, but looking at this I find it hard for anyone that has been looking at coins for awhile to conclude NT. That does not mean it does not look great, each person has an eye for different types of coins. Opinion> NT> no scientific reasoning just common sense. Maybe it is when they look that perfect?
AL >>
Just so we are in the same boat, Silver Eagle Toning should not be compared to Silver Dollar Toning as one is a 90% silver/10% copper alloy while the other if .999 fine silver. Both will tone differently over different periods of time and with different storage methods. SAEs can tone to vivid colors as has been proven on these boards, however the toning was the result of deliberate attempts at "inducing" toning.
I do not find the coin desireable in the least.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>i tend to feel this coin is NT. And i'm going to tell you why.
-toning is arranged in natural pattern. Although the pictures don't light up the fields too well on the obverse, it appears as a target toner. Reverse is also a target toner but farther along in the spectrum. Hence, my next point.
-color progression is natural, following Sunnywood's chart. Now, the orange in the center of the obverse has likely been brought out by juicing the photos but it should be the Class 1 orange because it's followed by the light blue. The color progression gets farther along as you get closer to the rim. Reverse appears as a Class 2 green and red followed by a little Class 3 green around some parts of the rim. >>
While I tend to lean towards AT, and think PCGS is to blame more than the owner or seller, I can vouche that Braddicks coins look just like the pictures. No juicing there.
A question for those who have studied a lot of proofs (I have not): on the coin in the o.p., above the motto, there are what look like a few water rings or spots- is that commonly seen on the surfaces of proofs?
Comments
and its beautiful, IMO
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
<< <i>linky
and its beautiful, IMO
edited to add..........................btw its not easy finding a nice toned Proof Eagle
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
the seller's a member here
he's had some "moose" colorful toners too
Added that one to my watch list.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
2. I'm not talking about the posters in this thread.
but 3. The declaration of AT seems to be always given with no explanation--like it's a gut feeling or something.
4. Sometimes I wonder if there aren't people out there who declare every wildly toned coin AT.
5. So if you do have a wildly colored NT coin will a large percentage of the viewers state, "definitely AT"?
--Jerry
<< <i>Looks AT to me. Just because it's in a PCGS slab doesn't prove that it's not AT. >>
Ditto......
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
-toning is arranged in natural pattern. Although the pictures don't light up the fields too well on the obverse, it appears as a target toner. Reverse is also a target toner but farther along in the spectrum. Hence, my next point.
-color progression is natural, following Sunnywood's chart. Now, the orange in the center of the obverse has likely been brought out by juicing the photos but it should be the Class 1 orange because it's followed by the light blue. The color progression gets farther along as you get closer to the rim. Reverse appears as a Class 2 green and red followed by a little Class 3 green around some parts of the rim.
2. I'm not talking about the posters in this thread. << If they own coins that are bought ans sold, then they are fair game to be talked about, (the coins). No one is talking bad about the seller/poster.
but 3. The declaration of AT seems to be always given with no explanation--like it's a gut feeling or something. He asked what we thought.
4. Sometimes I wonder if there aren't people out there who declare every wildly toned coin AT.
5. So if you do have a wildly colored NT coin will a large percentage of the viewers state, "definitely AT"? Imnot saying its AT one way or another. Just my opinion. Its a piece of silver from 88. Sorry, but the toning looks AT and it looks like a clown coin or something. These are the coins are modern silver and rainbow toned in les than 20 years... That smells fishy to me.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
peacockcoins
I got this one from them last week and just a Real Nice coin. Great people to deal with.
dont know what does it to them but I will say that Ive never done anything to them to make the color change or something. and ps- I love whatever happens to them bc I get almost $50 for $2 colored dime in the ANI Holder!!!
<< <i>1. I have no idea if this coin is AT or NT.
2. I'm not talking about the posters in this thread.
but 3. The declaration of AT seems to be always given with no explanation--like it's a gut feeling or something.
4. Sometimes I wonder if there aren't people out there who declare every wildly toned coin AT.
5. So if you do have a wildly colored NT coin will a large percentage of the viewers state, "definitely AT"?
--Jerry >>
I've collected and stored SAE's since 1986 in both air tites with a foam insert, original mint capsules and a DANSCO. The only thing the airtites or mint capsules do is milk spot for those coins that are inclined to milk spot. Zero Toning!
The DANSCO coins turn a "muddy" brown on the edges closest to the spine (where the most air gets in).
Again, zero "beautiful" toning.
The ONLY time I have seen a wildly colored SAE (and these will tone up nicely since they are .999 fine solver) is to deliberately store it incorrectly like in a Taco Bell Napkin, or in the open with no protection on an open shelf (in a closet like Bochiman) or perhaps in a sulphur laden manila envelope.
All three methods above could be considered AT but I think it depends upon the coin and the owners attitude. In other words if the owner comes on and spouts about how gorgeous the coin is and what he did to achieve those colors, then AT.
I suppose it is possible that some uninformed people are out there that store their SAE's out in the open or in a clothing dresser drawer or some other crazy place and then out of the blue they put it in their pocket (or purse) and decide to sell it to the local coin dealer for melt and that dealer then decides to ship it off to PCGS where PCGS will look at it, wonder about the toning, realize that .999 silver does tone up real pretty, and then decide to slab it with a couple of point deduction because they really do not know if its AT or not and then the dealer sells it to some numb nut for rediculous money...................
...............but I'm not buying it.
Either the coin or the story!
I could not say with ABSOLUTE certainty that this is true but my spidey senses tell me no. Again, I cannot say with ABSOLUTE certainty but that coin was either deliberately stored improperly or its been messed with. Especially since its a proof coin! Nobody and I do mean nobody (even idiots), removes their proof coins from the protective mint capsule, that they all come in, and simply stores it in a dresser drawer! (PS, a DANSCO or other coin folder simply does produce that vivid of toning.)
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise. >>
BS!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I have a 2005-S silver dime graded in a an ANI holder (it says pr70 dcam not that it matters). ANYWAY- I bought the coin about 3 years ago when it was what we can call "fresh" and its color was just as a brand new proof should be-... silver!. Anyway- the coin has been sitting in my room for the last 3 years and Ive been (for the last 3 years) as the coin gets more and more colorful. it started out in one small area and now it covers almost 60% of the head and the front of the coin as well. the reverse is moving at a slower pace but its getting there as well. in fact- most of my silver coins that were encased in ANI holders seem to get some color after 1 year or so. Maybe its just the holders or maybe its the air in my room (as many of my coins that I left in a drawer (unslabbed) for over 2 years came out toned when I recently them out).
dont know what does it to them but I will say that Ive never done anything to them to make the color change or something. and ps- I love whatever happens to them bc I get almost $50 for $2 colored dime in the ANI Holder!!! >>
Provide pictures please.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise. >>
BS! >>
Agree. Someone needs to cut back on the Kool Aid and start thinking independently.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I dont really need to see that coin in hand, or any other wildly toned MODERN ASE silver for that matter, to know that more than likely, it was ATed.
edited to add: ASE
AL
<< <i>Although it is a consignment coin, PCGS has viewed the coin raw, in hand and have freshly graded it. I believe this time I'll defer to them vs those who have not seen it nor have their level of expertise. >>
Pat, I happen to like it, as always you find some nice inventory.
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>I have alot of silver coins and alot of toned silver dollars, toned in alot of different ways, but when I see a coin like that in my mind I say AT, no scientific reason and I have read about toning progressions and I believe alot of that, but looking at this I find it hard for anyone that has been looking at coins for awhile to conclude NT. That does not mean it does not look great, each person has an eye for different types of coins. Opinion> NT> no scientific reasoning just common sense. Maybe it is when they look that perfect?
AL >>
Just so we are in the same boat, Silver Eagle Toning should not be compared to Silver Dollar Toning as one is a 90% silver/10% copper alloy while the other if .999 fine silver. Both will tone differently over different periods of time and with different storage methods. SAEs can tone to vivid colors as has been proven on these boards, however the toning was the result of deliberate attempts at "inducing" toning.
I do not find the coin desireable in the least.
The name is LEE!
Nice profit.
<< <i>i tend to feel this coin is NT. And i'm going to tell you why.
-toning is arranged in natural pattern. Although the pictures don't light up the fields too well on the obverse, it appears as a target toner. Reverse is also a target toner but farther along in the spectrum. Hence, my next point.
-color progression is natural, following Sunnywood's chart. Now, the orange in the center of the obverse has likely been brought out by juicing the photos but it should be the Class 1 orange because it's followed by the light blue. The color progression gets farther along as you get closer to the rim. Reverse appears as a Class 2 green and red followed by a little Class 3 green around some parts of the rim. >>
While I tend to lean towards AT, and think PCGS is to blame more than the owner or seller, I can vouche that Braddicks coins look just like the pictures. No juicing there.
Ain't life grand? That ends up in a holder, and this gets in a genuine slab for questionable color.