Am I screwed with this Willie Mays autograph?

cwazzy · June 11, 2009 11:09PM

I have a Willie Mays autograph baseball that I was getting ready to put on the BST to raise some funds for a Campy auction that ends this weekend. I figured that I should take a picture and check out the COA that came with it. The COA is from Scoreboard. Are they one of the ones that are known for fake autos? For some reason I have it in my mind that they may not be legit. I really hope I'm wrong. Here is the ball in question. Any help would be appreciated. (And just so you know, sending it to PSA/DNA is probably out of the question due to lack of funds

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BPorter26 · June 11, 2009 11:16PM

Scoreboard is legit. They were the auto guys in the 90's.

cwazzy · June 11, 2009 11:17PM

<< Scoreboard is legit. They were the auto guys in the 90's. >>

That is AWESOME! I was a little bummed there for a minute or two.

Thanks!

Chris

WinPitcher · June 11, 2009 11:32PM

Scoreboard went to the darkside, Kenny Goldin is not a name I'd trust.

I too have an auto from them (mantle) that I don't hold much stock too.

As for the Mays I have no idea if it is good or bad.

Steve

richtree · June 11, 2009 11:34PM

It does look alil small for Mays auto, he usually signed big and fast ., his last name looks alill weird on your ball, but Scoreboard was solid for the most part if your sure it came direct from them and not someone pretending to be "scoreboard"

good luck !

WinPitcher · June 11, 2009 11:35PM

From the internet:

Sweet Spot reported in its last issue that a selection of inventory with Score Board certificates of authenticity had been submitted to authenticators, both experienced dealers and forensic experts. Some of the memorabilia had been deemed good; much of it bad.

If I was you Chris I'd get it quick looked at by PSA/DNA and leave out the Scoreboard part.

Steve

cwazzy · June 11, 2009 11:40PM

<< From the internet:

Sweet Spot reported in its last issue that a selection of inventory with Score Board certificates of authenticity had been submitted to authenticators, both experienced dealers and forensic experts. Some of the memorabilia had been deemed good; much of it bad.

If I was you Chris I'd get it quick looked at by PSA/DNA and leave out the Scoreboard part.

Steve >>

That is probably a good idea.

Do I have to do that on eBay or can I do that on this site? Thanks for the help, guys.

bman90278 · June 11, 2009 11:42PM

<< 

If I was you Chris I'd get it quick looked at by PSA/DNA and leave out the Scoreboard part.

Steve >>

I was thinking the same thing. I hope everything works out for you Chris.

Brian

WinPitcher · June 11, 2009 11:45PM

Chris

I think one has to go through ebay or another auction site.

If you click on PSA/DNA near the top left corner is a link for quick whatever they call it.

Steve

cwazzy · June 11, 2009 11:55PM

<< Chris

I think one has to go through ebay or another auction site.

If you click on PSA/DNA near the top left corner is a link for quick whatever they call it.

Steve >>

Thanks, Steve. I guess I'll have to do that tonight. In the mean time I've taken down the ball from my BST thread. The last thing I want to do is stick someone else with a bad auto.

WinPitcher · June 12, 2009 12:08AM

Chris

It may be a good auto, the only thing that concerned me was the Scoreboard COA.

Good luck, hopefully the quick opinion will say likely genuine!

Steve

OAKESY25 · June 12, 2009 12:18AM

who is Fueck Noir?
is he french?

mays has an ugly signature IMO.. doesn't make any sense

cwazzy · June 12, 2009 12:20AM

<< Chris

It may be a good auto, the only thing that concerned me was the Scoreboard COA.

Good luck, hopefully the quick opinion will say likely genuine!

Steve >>

If it does say likely genuine (my fingers are crossed) do you think it would be okay to go ahead and list it on the BST and just throw away the COA? I'm not sure of the protocal here. Thanks again for the help, everyone.

WinPitcher · June 12, 2009 12:23AM

On the B/S/T I'd still say where I got it from.

If I was to put it on ebay I'd probably do the same.

When I said 'don't mention' or 'forget about the Scoreboard COA' I meant as far
as PSA/DNA knowing. That way you would get an unbiased opinion.

Sorta like cracking a GAI graded card before subbing it.

The more provenance of an item the better.

Steve

nam812 · June 12, 2009 12:26AM

<< If it does say likely genuine (my fingers are crossed) do you think it would be okay to go ahead and list it on the BST and just throw away the COA? I'm not sure of the protocal here. Thanks again for the help, everyone. >>

If you look to sell it in the BST forum I would mention everything in the order it happened. You had the ball and the COA, you werent sure so you got a quick opinion from PSA/DNA because you didnt want to sell it with any doubts, and now with the "likely genuine" (if they deem it that way) you feel more at ease passing it along to another collector.

If you leave out the scoreboard COA, and a potential buyer sees this thread (where you did mention the scoreboard COA), they will think something isnt right.

cwazzy · June 12, 2009 12:43AM

<< 

<< If it does say likely genuine (my fingers are crossed) do you think it would be okay to go ahead and list it on the BST and just throw away the COA? I'm not sure of the protocal here. Thanks again for the help, everyone. >>

If you look to sell it in the BST forum I would mention everything in the order it happened. You had the ball and the COA, you werent sure so you got a quick opinion from PSA/DNA because you didnt want to sell it with any doubts, and now with the "likely genuine" (if they deem it that way) you feel more at ease passing it along to another collector.

If you leave out the scoreboard COA, and a potential buyer sees this thread (where you did mention the scoreboard COA), they will think something isnt right. >>

Very good point. I will definitely keep the COA then.

Dboneesq · June 12, 2009 1:41AM

<< Any help would be appreciated. (And just so you know, sending it to PSA/DNA is probably out of the question due to lack of funds

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Chris ... here are two that I have. Don't remember from whom I bought them, but I've only purchased a few non PSA auto balls and would only buy from someone I trusted (I know it does not mean that it is definitely legit). My two autos are different and I am sure Mr. Mays has a few different ways he signs. Sorry for the bad photo, but I scanned them.

cwazzy · June 12, 2009 2:27AM

After seeing those scans I'm not sure I even want to waste my $7.45 on a quick opinion. The "W" looks quite a bit "off".

csmtampa · June 12, 2009 2:36AM

Mays has signed his W a few different ways. Im confident that is a good Mays.

As for Scoreboard. The reason people say be careful with items with a Scoreboard COA is because people would switch the good items and replace it with a bad one. The COA could also easily be copied. Check your COA to see if you can see the watermark. Either way, the authentic item could be replaced with a fake item.

But that Mays looks good.

cwazzy · June 12, 2009 2:52AM

<< Mays has signed his W a few different ways. Im confident that is a good Mays.

As for Scoreboard. The reason people say be careful with items with a Scoreboard COA is because people would switch the good items and replace it with a bad one. The COA could also easily be copied. Check your COA to see if you can see the watermark. Either way, the authentic item could be replaced with a fake item.

But that Mays looks good. >>

I hope you are right. I'll do the quick opinion thing tonight and let you guys know what I find out.

richtree · June 12, 2009 3:06AM

I have a PSA graded Mays I can take a pic of tonight in case you want to compare

akuracy503 · June 12, 2009 3:09AM

I've seen official auto'd cards of Mays in a small scale so I wouldn't sweat the size factor.

akuracy503 · June 12, 2009 3:11AM

You've got to remember that auto's change depending on the mood of grumpy old senior's.

Am I screwed with this Willie Mays autograph?

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