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illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Definitely wasn't any of my recent submissions!!! image Wonder if this was a raw one or a crossover???

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Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448

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  • ProofCentsProofCents Posts: 1,656
    It could have been a regrade or a crack out
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bob?

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It could have been a regrade or a crack out >>



    Or maybe an NGC MS65RB ?
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Bob? >>



    Yeah, that's mine. I was hoping for an RB upgrade, but..... Since it's there, I'm also having them TrueView it.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Bob? >>



    Since it's there, I'm also having them TrueView it. >>



    cool, can't wait to see image

    Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448

  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Bob? >>



    Yeah, that's mine. I was hoping for an RB upgrade, but..... Since it's there, I'm also having them TrueView it. >>



    Did you crack it first or send in holder. Just curious. Thanks.
    pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-basic-set-colorless-matte-proof-1909-1916/publishedset/102180
    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did you give it a soak in acetone before you sent it??? Mattes are mighty dirty, PCGS usually will soak it, if you left it in the holder so don't be surprised if it "looks" a tad better and not just beacuse of the Trueview pic.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't have the rocks to crack it out and send in raw.image

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did you give it a soak in acetone before you sent it??? Mattes are mighty dirty, PCGS usually will soak it, if you left it in the holder so don't be surprised if it "looks" a tad better and not just beacuse of the Trueview pic. >>



    I'd swear that happened to one of mine that I sent in for a regrade a couple months back. It just had more "ooomph" than I remembered. Of course, I don't know for sure, but I'm tellin' you that even the old dull drab reverse was just a tad more juicy. And no, I didn't ask for it. And no, they didn't tell me about it. And no, I can't say which one. That said, as I remember Bob's 64BN VDB in Andy's case, I'm not too sure that coin needs a bath. It looks pretty clean as is, with a nice gloss to boot. image

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  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>, as I remember Bob's 64BN VDB in Andy's case, I'm not too sure that coin needs a bath. It looks pretty clean as is, with a nice gloss to boot. image >>



    I agree with that Matt. I bought it sight unseen, although I did talk to a couple of people who had seen it. I really didn't know what to expect a 64BN to look like. It surpassed any vision that I imagined. It had more color and much more luster than I could have dreamed of. The portions of red are what led me to believe that it could be a possible RD candidate. Wishful thinking on my part perhaps, but I'm very pleased with the coin and the grade.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS may pick and choose what gets a bath, but let us know when you get it back.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    ""PCGS usually will soak it""

    Hey, Bob - How do you know that PCGS does this?

    Duane
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After sending 3 mattes in for degrade in their holders...I wish I had made before and after pictures. Two upgraded! They were VERY different coins when I got them back. My 1911 I cracked and soaked and it came out much better but not good enough to upgrade, it just LOOKS better.

    IMHO Mattes are generally dirty little buggers and many more mid and lower graded coins would upgrade with a soak and regrade service.

    I even once sent a 1972 DDO in and was called by Hall himself asking if it was OK for them to dip it as it was cleaned and if they could not correct it, they would buy the coin back. It could not be corrected and was bought back. So yes, they do soak coins.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whoa!

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  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645


    << <i>I even once sent a 1972 DDO in and was called by Hall himself asking if it was OK for them to dip it as it was cleaned and if they could not correct it, they would buy the coin back. It could not be corrected and was bought back. So yes, they do soak coins.

    WS >>



    I understand. But David Hall actually did contact you first in that instance. My thinking is that they would not (IMHO) soak without owner's permission. You can imagine the liability if an expensive coin (like many MPLs) were to go bad in soaking. Why would they risk that?

    Duane
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I even once sent a 1972 DDO in and was called by Hall himself asking if it was OK for them to dip it as it was cleaned and if they could not correct it, they would buy the coin back. It could not be corrected and was bought back. So yes, they do soak coins.

    WS >>



    I understand. But David Hall actually did contact you first in that instance. My thinking is that they would not (IMHO) soak without owner's permission. You can imagine the liability if an expensive coin (like many MPLs) were to go bad in soaking. Why would they risk that?

    Duane >>



    True true...

    And yes I saw Bob's vdb in hand when I saw Andy at the Santa Clara coin expo and it does not need any "bath"
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had one spooky thing happen on a little submission last year. This was just a 1959 P Memorial....nothing at all special, except for the fact I found it in a big can of change my wife had been keeping. Just a bright red flashy coin.....48 years old and still a stunner.

    so, off it went. when it came back 64 RD the first thing I saw was a HUGE BLACK SPOT OFF ABES FOREHEAD.

    now,, iwouldnt have even thought about sending that coin were I aware of that big spot...but geez as much as I comb back in my memory banks, I have no recall of seeing a big black spot. My old crappy iPhone pics made with a loupe taped to the camera/phone showed a tiny tiny discoloration there..but nothing at all like what was returned with very dark very apparant spot.

    It was the same coin, a few tiny bag marks confirmed that. But I will swear on Rocky Obamas boxer shorts that it WAS NOT anything like that when I sent it in. Not that the value on a pretty well valueless coin was compromised...but something had been done. (period)
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I would once again say, that if someone has a grimy MPL and wants to send it in and see what happens, I will throw in the first $10 towards the submission..Anyone game?

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, I would once again say, that if someone has a grimy MPL and wants to send it in and see what happens, I will throw in the first $10 towards the submission..Anyone game?

    WS >>


    I just sent in a 1911 65BN for a spot review. They have only had it for a couple of days and it is already in a new holder and with the same grade. I'm sure they must have done something to it cause it was pretty yucky when I sent it in. I'll show before and afters when I get it back.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    I'd like to see the before/after. i would not be the first time that I'm wrong. But I'm still unsure about why the company would engage in that activity and take those chances.

    Who can we ask inside for a straight answer?
  • Gobrechts99GrapevineGobrechts99Grapevine Posts: 143


    << <i>The portions of red are what led me to believe that it could be a possible RB candidate. Wishful thinking on my part perhaps, >>


    Reminds me of what a member of the Coinfacts Board of Experts said about my MS64BN Fugio cent when I asked him if he thought I could get it upgraded to RB. He characterized it as having "some mint bloom, but perhaps not enough for the RB designation." The coin was 222 years old and yet it still had some noticeable red so I sent it in. Of course it came back BN, not RB. Here are couple of different views of it.

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    image
    image
    I am not kidding,

    G99G
    I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heartimage NOT.

    People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.

    image
    Every empty box?
    C'mon!
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rich, that is a stunning Fugio in any color. I see the red you are referring to and is similar to what I was seeing on the VDB. At least the graders were consistent in this case.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    Rich-

    Wow; what a beautiful Fugio!

    Duane
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Duane, Lets wait to see what Bob's 1911 looks like when he gets it back. I personally do not think they would take high end MPL's and soak them, either, just the ones that need it.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    Yeah - it will be interesting, Bob.

    Thanks for raising the topic.

    Duane
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the TrueView of the VDB. Looks original.

    image

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • 66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    LOVE the Trueview shot robec, really shows a lot of color. I certainly wouldn't question it being in a RB holder eitherimage
    Rob
    Lincoln set Colorless Set
    image
  • Gobrechts99GrapevineGobrechts99Grapevine Posts: 143
    That VDB's not just brown, it has some nice red and pink to it. Maybe it ain't RB but it shore is purdy!
    image
    I am not kidding,

    G99G
    I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heartimage NOT.

    People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.

    image
    Every empty box?
    C'mon!
  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    That is one very nice VDB, Bob, regardless of what the sticker may say; nice matte surfaces, stong diagnostics and a lot of color mingled together for some real eye appeal. I think that you got a very good deal on the Big One! Congrats!
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For comparison's sake, here' one that AU_Hobby has listed as a 64RB:

    image

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  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭✭
    Bob's is definitely a RB IMHO. I guess this is an example of the ultra conservative grading we're hearing aboutimage
    pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-basic-set-colorless-matte-proof-1909-1916/publishedset/102180
    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    SUPER VDB!!!!!!!!!

    It's all about liability IMO.
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are Rich's and Curly's RB's for comparison. I think had this current one been submitted a couple of years ago, it would have been designated RB. They are just extremely conservative at the time.

    Rich

    image

    Curly

    image

    Mine

    image

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you are exactly right Lee.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • Gobrechts99GrapevineGobrechts99Grapevine Posts: 143
    I'd like to know why the three Trueview images robec just posted are three different sizes.
    image
    I am not kidding,

    G99G
    I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heartimage NOT.

    People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.

    image
    Every empty box?
    C'mon!
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd like to know why the three Trueview images robec just posted are three different sizes. >>



    It wasn't intentional. I just didn't take the time to resize them after I stole yours from your registry and Jack's from BW's Hall of Fame. I'll fix it.image

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I personally do not think they would take high end MPL's and soak them, either, just the ones that need it.

    WS >>



    I just received the VDB back from PCGS. From what I can see, the coin wasn't touched or soaked. It appears in the same state as when I sent it in.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • Gobrechts99GrapevineGobrechts99Grapevine Posts: 143
    It's funny. I just noticed robec has resized the three Trueviews so they are all the same size. I had wanted them all to be as big as the largest of them but of course he just reduced them all to the size of the smallest, in order as not to degrade the quality of any of the images. Anyway it's only now, seeing them all the same size, that I feel like I can compare them: robec's coin looks RB to me.
    image
    I am not kidding,

    G99G
    I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heartimage NOT.

    People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.

    image
    Every empty box?
    C'mon!
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    I have seen Bob's vdb in hand and can say I have seen some RB's and some BN's with that shade. So it is kind of borderline. Fantastic trueviews!
    image
  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645


    << <i>Anyway it's only now, seeing them all the same size, that I feel like I can compare them: robec's coin looks RB to me. >>



    I know exactly what you mean, but I think that the difference between seeing coin photos side by side and coins in-hand side by side for comparison is the big test. Photos are just too easily manipulated (I do not use that word in a negative sense).
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