Man bites dog: The Thomas Irwin Collection unseats Stewart Blay as the #1 MPL collection!
Gobrechts99Grapevine
Posts: 143
It seems the world as we once knew it no longer exists. How could this have happened? I think maybe now I know where the 1912 1C in PR66RD is, however...
I am not kidding,
G99G
I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heart
NOT.People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.
Every empty box?
C'mon!
0
Comments
With a perfect set rating! 69.00
<< <i>With a perfect set rating! 69.00 >>
Current Finest Possible Set Rating : 69.158
???
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>
<< <i>With a perfect set rating! 69.00 >>
Current Finest Possible Set Rating : 69.158
??? >>
You are correct, would need the pop 1 1909 PR68RD to accomplish perfection!
WS
<< <i>You are correct, would need the pop 1 1909 PR68RD to accomplish perfection! >>
Seems like he would also need one of the 1914s in PR68RD, as Stewart holds one, and Doug holds the other.
So welcome to the registry race, although it would seem you've already won. Congrats!
Empty Nest Collection
Matt’s Mattes
<< <i>
<< <i>You are correct, would need the pop 1 1909 PR68RD to accomplish perfection! >>
Seems like he would also need one of the 1914s in PR68RD, as Stewart holds one, and Doug holds the other.
So welcome to the registry race, although it would seem you've already won. Congrats! >>
I give up, my mind calculator is failing me today.
1909VDB PR67RD
1911 PR66RD
1912 PR66RD
1915 PR67RD
1916 PR66RD
As for the 1909, 1910, 1913, and 1914, all but one of them must be a PR67, the other being a PR66. That's the only way he could have a 69.000 rating, since we know he doesn't have either of the PR68RDs.
As to the question of whether or not his set is nicer than Stewart's, I'm just going to tow the party line
Empty Nest Collection
Matt’s Mattes
That said, given that the weight for the 12 is 3 & for the '09 is 1, if there were a split (one to each of two sets) on the top '09 & '12, would (could) the sets would still be tied?
PCGS No. Item.......... Grade ..Pop / Higher
3302 .....1909 VDB ..PR67RD 2 / 0
3305 .....1909 ......... PR68RD 1 / 0
3308 .....1910 ..........PR67RD 3 / 0
3311 .....1911 ..........PR66RD 13 / 0
3314 .....1912 ..........PR66RD 1 / 0
3317 .....1913 ..........PR67RD 4 / 0
3320 .....1914 ..........PR68RD 2 / 0
3323 .....1915 ..........PR67RD 2 / 0
3326 .....1916 ..........PR66RD 3 / 0
"He also moved ahead of Stewarts 42-36 proof set as well..."
& neck & neck on the 50-58 tied for 1st w/the same set rating but w/a higher DCAM % (yet in the 2nd slot).
<< <i>Glad Gerry is finally posting his sets! >>
It's not Gerry! Most of the "Thomas Irwin" amazing Type coins were sold recently at the Heritage auction. I sold "Thomas Irwin" MANY of his rarest Type coins, but I didn't know he was accumulating such fabulous Lincoln cents in both business strikes and matte proofs. I'm sure most here know that "Thomas Irwin" is a pseudonym. I also would like to see his Lincoln sets open, with photos also, if possible. I advised him on the type of digital camera he might use as well as lighting and copy stand recommendations. I believe he bought all of this but I don't think he's ever used the equipment.
Ira
<< <i>
<< <i>Glad Gerry is finally posting his sets! >>
It's not Gerry! Most of the "Thomas Irwin" amazing Type coins were sold recently at the Heritage auction. I sold "Thomas Irwin" MANY of his rarest Type coins, but I didn't know he was accumulating such fabulous Lincoln cents in both business strikes and matte proofs. I'm sure most here know that "Thomas Irwin" is a pseudonym. I also would like to see his Lincoln sets open, with photos also, if possible. I advised him on the type of digital camera he might use as well as lighting and copy stand recommendations. I believe he bought all of this but I don't think he's ever used the equipment.
Ira >>
Are you saying that "Thomas Irwin" is the same person as "Joseph C. Thomas"? That is the name I recall from the Heritage Central States sale.
Edited to add: Okay, I see someone beat me to it!
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
Ira
Actually, Andy should get a lot of credit. He and Gerry built that collection over a few years. It sure isn't one of those "here today, up for auction tomorrow" collections.
Gerry is a true gentleman to boot.
Congrats Gerry on a great collection.
Jack
I do have a hypothetical question for someone in the group. If my calculations are correct, and Stewart Blay was able to wrestle away one of the 1916 PR66RD’s (say Tom Bender’s), his PCGS Set Registry Rating would also be 69.00. But if you carry it to the complete decimal point it would be a higher number. Would PCGS just list them both as 69.00 Rating and therefore have a “tie for first place”, or would they carry it to the last decimal point and list the ultimate winner? Just curiosity on a Sunday afternoon.
Jonathan
<< <i>I do have a hypothetical question for someone in the group. If my calculations are correct, and Stewart Blay was able to wrestle away one of the 1916 PR66RD’s (say Tom Bender’s), his PCGS Set Registry Rating would also be 69.00. But if you carry it to the complete decimal point it would be a higher number. Would PCGS just list them both as 69.00 Rating and therefore have a “tie for first place”, or would they carry it to the last decimal point and list the ultimate winner? Just curiosity on a Sunday afternoon. >>
Assuming your calculations are correct, what a great question. It seems that PCGS calculates to three decimal places, rounds to two decimal places, and settles ties by who got to the Set Rating first. But one could easily argue that while 68.995 and 69.004 may both round to 69.00, they are not really "tied."
The question reminds me of a statement from Hall of Fame umpire Bill Klem, the patron saint of umpires and not a bad metaphysicist besides. After the pitcher threw a pitch and the catcher caught it, Bill Klem remained motionless and silent. When the understandably curious batter inquired whether the pitch was a ball or strike, Klem is said to have replied, ''Maybe it was a ball and maybe it was a strike, but it ain't nothin' till I call it.'' In today's television universe, viewers can make up their own minds on the balls and strikes, but when it comes to the Set Registry, only PCGS knows for sure.
I am not kidding,
G99G
I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heart
People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.
Every empty box?
C'mon!
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>instead of carrying out to more decimial places maybe just do what the NGC registry does and just break the tie in favor of whoever puts up photos and descriptions first
Looks like it will still be a tie.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
In answer to your question, in my hypothetical example from earlier post, it would look like both Gerry and Stewart would have identical “Weighted Rating” of 1311, leading to a Set Rating of 69.000 for both sets. I think a “Tied for first place” would be a better ruling by PCGS than just arbitrarily giving it to the first person that achieves that level on their Registry Set. Forget for the moment about MPL's and consider the goal for many other series collectors who are trying to achieve a "highest ranking". Why would PCGS want to discourage someone from trying to attain this?
Jonathan
I don't claim to understand it -- does it apply?
Ties
Sets are date-stamped according to the first date they are submitted for publication. In case of a tie the set which reaches the number one spot with 100% completion first will remain in the number one spot regardless of the set's first validation date. The following logic is used:
1) Highest rating NOW
2) Highest rating EVER
3) Highest rating ever DATE
As an example:
1) Set #1 with the highest rating goes to the top slot.
2) If set #2 ties set #1's rating, then set #1 remains in the top slot regardless of the first or last published date.
3) If set #2 updates with a higher rating than set #1, then it takes the top slot. However, if set #1 matches set #2's rating, set #1 retakes the top slot.
I am not kidding,
G99G
I collect 20-slab, blue plastic PCGS coin boxes. To me, every empty box is like a beating heart
People come up sometimes, and ask me, G99G, are you kidding? And I answer them no, I am NOT KIDDING.
Every empty box?
C'mon!
Check out the Flying Eagles with Varieties Set. They are both ranked #1. Run your cursor over the "Set Rating" column and see the dates the sets achieved their highest rating.
So from what I gather, that rule only applies to which one of the tied sets is displayed first on the page and does not affect ranking.