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Are we going to need a registry set for just the 09 Lincolns?

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Are we going to need a registry set for just the 09 Lincolns? 20 different types, with at least 5 varieties as of today.

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  • ProofCentsProofCents Posts: 1,656
    Yes its called a mint set
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    Yes, we have the FOUR Lincoln proof versions (S mint mark) in 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin. Then we have the EIGHT Lincoln satin finish versions (P & D mint mark) in 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin. Those coins can be gotten from the US Mint in their 2009 Proof set and 2009 Mint set. They will be EASY to collect. The other eight coins from circulation will be a little harder to get unless you are willing to pay significant premiums over face to get business strike examples from dealers IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. Of course, we all will see some of the 4 types in either P or D Mint mark in change, BUT getting all EIGHT in the short term from change is very doubtful. Of course, when I say P mint mark I really mean NO mint mark. Anyway, once you get ALL 20 required coins, then you can have PCGS grade them for you and add them to your registry. The cost of such an effort against the monitary value of doing so might cause a number of Lincoln cent collectors to just put their RAW examples in an album. Steveimage
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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sincerely hope that all this confusion, what with quarters, nickels, and now cents alike, is paving the way for some sort of simplification. I keep thinking of how the history will read:

    "After the rampant diversification and ensuing confusion, with bankrupcy looming, the US Mint underwent a massive overhaul and scaled back it's production to levels unheard of during the past 10 years. The lesson learned: if it aint broke, don't fix it."

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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like to see the Memorial sets closed without adding these new cents to them.
    Doug
  • jy8sjy8s Posts: 113 ✭✭
    What, like the state/territory quarters impacted the Washington series?

    S
  • jdjanssenjdjanssen Posts: 29
    I agree. The Memorial set is over. There are no more Lincoln cents with the Memorial on the reverse. Just like the Wheat, this set should be closed.
    Wheats-1909 to 1958
    Memorial-1959 to 2008
    2009 will be a set in its own and the next series should run 2010 to 2058.

    Just my two cents worth.



    << <i>I would like to see the Memorial sets closed without adding these new cents to them. >>

    My project: Complete proof Lincoln Memorial set. To accomplish this task I am sending in complete proof sets for grading.
  • ProofCentsProofCents Posts: 1,656
    I agree that would be nice but if you look at the registry set makeup currently you will see the 2009 are included in the memorial set.

    Maybe BJ could update us as to why 2009 is not a new set?
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like to see the Memorial sets closed without adding these new cents to them. >>



    Here, here!

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  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    For what it's worth, I feel that ending the series on the 100th year would be a symbolically respectful gesture. Anything other seems anticlimatic IMHO.
  • jy8sjy8s Posts: 113 ✭✭
    Not to nit-pic but 2008 is the 100th year - look at the date set number required.

    2009 is the first year of the next hundred. Just like wheat cents lasted 50 years 1909-1958 and changed in the 51st year. (1959) and this change would be the next 50 years and then change again in the 101st year.

    How's that for an engineers logic!
  • XXXXXX Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭
    A short series in circ strike by itself might be nice. I agree if you had Circ, SF, and Proof all in one set, it might get stickey.
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  • XXXXXX Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree. The Memorial set is over. There are no more Lincoln cents with the Memorial on the reverse. Just like the Wheat, this set should be closed.
    Wheats-1909 to 1958
    Memorial-1959 to 2008
    2009 will be a set in its own and the next series should run 2010 to 2058.

    Just my two cents worth.



    << <i>I would like to see the Memorial sets closed without adding these new cents to them. >>

    >>



    Agree.

    The 2010- will have the new reverse (flag I think).
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  • DuaneDuane Posts: 645
    ""How's that for an engineers logic!""

    As a patent attorney, I can attest that IT IS engineer's logic, to be sure! image
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool ideal - I have the 09, 09vdb, 09-S, 09-S vdb and the 09 matte proof. Just need the 09 vdb matte proof. If that doesn't deserve its own Registry set... image
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just need the 09 vdb matte proof. >>



    Bruce,
    You can pick one up cheap tomorrow night (Thursday) at the B&M auction in Baltimore.
    Steveimage
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    My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Just need the 09 vdb matte proof. >>



    Bruce,
    You can pick one up cheap tomorrow night (Thursday) at the B&M auction in Baltimore.
    Steveimage >>



    Ahhhh - but each and every one of the coins is in a PCGS 65RB rattler holder. A matched set!
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  • ProofCentsProofCents Posts: 1,656
    I recieved this email from Cosetta at PCGS yesterday

    "I spoke with BJ and we will continue adding to the modern and complete Lincoln sets as long as President Lincoln remains on the obverse of the coin. The 1958 Lincoln cents are the ‘wheat backs’ while the 1959 Lincoln’s mark the beginning of the Memorial reverse, 1959 also marks the beginning of the modern series."


    So we are not going to end the memorial set any time soon.
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭


    << <i>


    So we are not going to end the memorial set any time soon. >>



    One of the big mistakes we all make is to jump to conclusions prematurely about long time US coin series. The Lincoln set Registry will remain as BJ said as long as Lincoln's head remains on the front. This will PROBABLY also be true even if they put another design of Lincoln's head on the obverse. BUT, we do have various subsets of Lincoln cents in the Set Registry. There is no doubt in my mind that EVENTUALLY we will have a 2009 subset of the 20 coins. In 2010 we are SUPOSED to have a new reverse replacing the Lincoln memorial. If that happens and if it continues into future years there is no doubt that PCGS will have a subset of that reverse in the Set Registry. It makes no sense for PCGS to RUSH into creating all these subsets. For NOW, every registry owner has a PLACE to put their 2009 Lincoln cents. They can put them in the 1909 to present Set Registries or they can put them in the 1959 to present Set Registries. Come 2010 or 2011 AFTER all this sorts out I am sure BJ and the PCGS Set Registry crew will get input from everyone and create logical subsets for ALL Lincoln cents, both business strike and proof. JMHO. Steveimage
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    My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I understand what she is saying, and agree with regard to the "complete" and the "to date" type sets. However, the Memorial reverse is a subset of the entire Lincoln series, just as the Wheat reverse is a subset. As of 2008, there will be no more Memorial reverses, so that subset should be closed. The current Memorial sets that say "1959 to date" should be changed to "1959 to 2008" and become a closed subset.

    Sorry, but I just can't make rational sense of it otherwise.

    I had some discussions with a top memorial collector last year who had been discussing this issue with PCGS. At the time, there weren't any indications relative to what the coins were going to look like in 2010 and whether or not the reverse was going to revert back to Memorial after 2009. PCGS's position was that the 2009 coins should be included in the Memorial set until that issue cleared up. Maybe PCGS's philosophy is that "it's never done until it's done," and want to wait and see if a different reverse actually will get used in 2010 before they close the Memorial sets.
    Doug
  • dcgolferdcgolfer Posts: 253 ✭✭
    Hey everyone, I spoke to BJ about this very issue several months ago, and at that time she and PCGS were undecided at the time as to whether or not the Memorial Series subset would end with 2008, and the decision would not be finalized until they knew officially from the mint that 2010 would start a new reverse or not. I told her at the time it was my understanding that the reverse would definitely change from the Memorial design, but the new design hadn't yet been chosen. Her position at that time was that if the reverse did indeed change in 2010, they would most likely end the Memorial design subset, but it wasn't clear where the 2009 coins would go. I gave my opinion that I'd like to see the Memorial set end with 2008, and the 2009 coins be put in their own subset, or included in the next subset. After reading most of your comments, it looks like most of you agree. It probably wouldn't hurt if some of you contacted BJ, via e-mail or whatever, and let her know your feelings. If they they know how most of the Lincoln crowd feels about it, maybe it might give them a little push in that direction.

    Dan
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