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"Extra Long Finger" is now "2009 1c FY CDDO-002 + CDDR-006 + CDDR-009"
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After searching many boxes, I have found quite a few of CDDR-001 through CDDR-004 but not anything like this one. It looks like an extra long digit.....thoughts?
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yeah digit of course
I haven't seen the long finger yet.
Box of 20
However I forgot to keep track of date stamp...
Hi Michael,
Received your Lincoln cent Formative Years coin today. I have completed my examination with the following analysis:
(1) 2009 1c FY DDR?: This is a new listing in my files and will be officially assigned as 2009 1c FY CDDR-009. Additionally, further examination also reveals that this DDR reverse is mated with a nice DDO and will be officially assigned as FY CDDO-003. Therefore, the complete official "C" registry file listing is 2009 1c FY CDDO-003 + CDDR-009.
Congratulations! I will be taking photographs shortly of your coin. Would it be possible if I could take the coin out of the 2x2 cardboard holder so as to take much clearer and distinct photos? Of course after photographing I would put the coin right back in its holder. Let me know if this is OK?
Thanks for sending the coin and the opportunity to add another very nice Formative Years DDO + DDR combination variety in my "C" registry files. I will be illustrating your variety along with many more new listings in my upcoming Die Variety News (DVN) Magazine Supplement Issue #4.
SUPER ~ CONGRATS!!!! That is now TWO mated DDO/DDR varieties for the LP2's.... can't wait to see the photos!!!
<< <i>Just opened my 5 boxes dated 4/23 and found this variety in every roll. Is this a new variety? >>
I found seven of those in the 4/23 box as well.
Congrats Michael Constantine!
Please post a picture of the DDO-3 when it's available!
<< <i>I will certainly post the pics when Billy sends them to me!! I think these are in the 4/23 boxes as well. I didn't know where I "found" this first one I sent to Billy but I know now it is 4/23. I found just that one in the first 4/23 and just now I opened another 4/23 and found 3. I have 3 boxes left.
<< <i>
What part of the obverse is doubled? I found several of these that have part of the date on the obverse distorted. Related thread
I couldn't find any "nice" doubling on the obverse, but see something going on in the middle of the R here.
After my initial attribution email notification message to Michael, I did additional analysis of his coin's obverse. Since the cat is just about to get out of the bag, I might as well explain so as no one gets confused and the wrong information gets out.
When I examined Micheal's obverse, I noted it was a DDO and at that time assigned it as CDDO-003. But, it kept nagging me that the DDO on Michael's coin was very similar in doubling appearance to the already listed FY CDDO-002. I decided to pull my specimen of CDDO-002 and started comparing die markers on its obverse with the die markers on Michael's coin. They matched exactly. So, I immediately sent another email to Michael notifying him of this new and important information about his coin. I told Michael the CDDO-003 "C" number is hereby deleted and NOT VALID.
So, if it's a DDO and it's not CDDO-003 (which is deleted), then what is it? It's FY CDDO-002. But, wait, CDDO-002 is paired with CDDR-006! Yes, it is paired with CDDR-006. So, what the heck is going on?
What is going on is that FY CDDO-002 is also paired with FY CDDR-009 (the strongest FY DDR thus far and what I call the "skeleton finger" appearance that you see pics in this thread of).
So, the official listing in my "C" registry files is 2009 1c FY CDDO-002 + CDDR-006 + CDDR-009.
To put it in more simple terms -- we have an obverse doubled die paired with two different reverse doubled dies!
The scenario would be the press started striking coins and those coins would be FY CDDO-002 + CDDR-006. Sometime during the production run the reverse (which is FY CDDR-006) was pulled and replaced with a new reverse which just so happened to also be a DDR which is listed as FY CDDR-009.
Since these two reverse DDRs (FY CDDR-006 and FY CDDR-009 with FY CDDO-002) each shared part of the production run, then each of them would have much, much less of them being produced as compared to one individual FY DDR that made a full production on its own. Therefore, this variety will a lot less of them and harder to find compared to the other listed FY varieties.
I hope this clears it up and I was wanting to initially get this exciting information first published in my upcoming DVN Supplement #4. However, I also didn't want confusion of what was going on and also to ensure in clarifying that my CDDO-003 is not a valid number so as collectors would be clear on that.
Billy (dvn)
Now I have to worry about 10 toed LS Quarters, Full skirt Halves,
Full torch dimes, Extra long fingers, Full band dimes, Full heads,
full shield rivets, my head is now so FULL of FULL, I can hardly stand it.
Camelot
<< <i>Thanks Billy for the explanation. I have now revised the title of this thread to accurately reflect your variety assignment. Does anybody know roughly on average how many cents are minted in a production run?
Sorry Bear for the headache!
Michael, on average it's believed to be around 1 million coins. Of course, could be less, could be more.
Lets make it easy. Lets say it is 1 million coins die life.
Then, lets go another step and make it easy and lets say the CDDR-006 was pulled and replaced by CDDR-009 half-way through the production run.
Then each would be approximately 500,000 coins. But compared with another FY DDR that made a full production run, it would have done its 1 million coins.
So, no matter when the reverse was replaced, there will have to be less of them compared to the other FY DDR varieties.
Ergo, less of them, ergo more difficult to locate, ergo probably sustaining its value better than when compared with the other FY varieties, and especially with the FY CDDR-009 being the strongest of the FY DDRs thus far.
Billy (dvn)
there are two more fancy Lincoln reverses yet to come
Bottom photo is the same but with an overlay.
Billy (dvn)
The free online Die Variety News (DVN) magazine Supplement Issue #4 is uploaded and available for viewing at your leisure. The URL address is: http://www.dvnmagazine.com/
This Special Issue #4 is 32 jam-packed pages highlighting the discovery of the first verified Proof Formative Years doubled die. We also continue with listings FY CDDR-007 through CDDR-014 and we show a couple of interesting Mint error types. I have also included a handy Formative Years Cross-Reference Guide for known listings with other registry files.
I sincerely hope you enjoy this issue and if you have any suspected Formative Years doubled dies that are different than those illustrated in previous DVN Supplement Issues #2, #3, and #4 I would enjoy hearing from you.
As always ... good luck in your collecting and searching endeavors.
All the Best,
Billy (dvn)
Hoard the keys.
Are they honestly expecting up to one thousand different variations on this theme?
Or are the first ten varieties licensed to kill?
<< <i>Still only one of two with DDO&DDR. Anyone finding these? >>
It is probably just me but I cannot ID any DDO's.....I have gone through over 30 boxes and I just can't do it
Found plenty of DDR's though
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
The single press die making method has put an end to traditional doubled dies.
I think some, not all, of these DDR's are pretty exciting to me.
Papi,
Why are you trying to confuse an old guy like me?
I have not gotten much past the WDDR 001 and 002!
Back to the pool.....
<< <i>You're confused??? I thought it was a new thread and my head was spinning.....
Back to the pool..... >>
Well, I'm figuring there are 7 different, including all the cracks........anybody?
CDDO-002 with CDDR-006 (first pairing)
CDDO-002 with CDDR-009 (second pairing)
CDDO-002 with CDDR-009 Stage A; obverse die crack begins
CDDO-002 with CDDR-009 Stage Ab; major obverse die crack with no reverse die crack
CDDO-002 with CDDR-009 Stage B; major obverse die crack with reverse die crack beginning
CDDO-002 with CDDR-009 Stage C; major obverse and major reverse die cracks; VERY RARE
CDDO-002 with major obverse die crack Stage D; with NO DDR reverse (third pairing)
There could be more. There may be die cracks with the CDDO-002/CDDR-006 pairing
I find the life cycle of CDDO-002 fascinating
I agree
Back to the pool!
It would be nice to discuss a specialist item with specialists.
<< <i>I don't know why I bother with these posts. It would be nice to discuss a specialist item with specialists. >>
Ya know...There are some very fine "specialists"on this forum and, with this variant, right here on this thread.
We are all trying to rush this. Everything will work it's way along and we will know a lot more what direction these things will take by next year at this time.
<< <i>We are all trying to rush this. Everything will work it's way along and we will know a lot more what direction these things will take by next year at this time. >>
What are we trying to rush? DDRs are available from .99c to $5 by the truckload.
I don't believe the comment was directed towards me; as I was seeking any additional info that a fellow forum member might be able to offer on this particular DDO/DDR combo.
Instead, people are jumping into the pool with their heads spinning.
I was seeking a serious response.
WDDO-002C/WDDR-006B Late Stage Die $105
This is definitely the most difficult Skeleton to find, for anyone looking for a complete set
I only have 8 of these and would not sell them for that kind of money.
I dont know, I got mine off ebay when they first showed up.
<< <i>Have any of these cddo-002/cddr-009's w/die cracks been found in LP2 boxes? >>
The obverse and reverse die cracks appeared in bank boxes only, not in LP2 sets.
I thought that was the case but my memory is fading. I knew there was a reason that I bought those online.
Thanks PAPI for coming to the rescue on this.