Have crossovers always been a COMPLETE JOKE!?!?!

I just submitted some cards from other graders to PSA....all I want it the equal grade. So far everything has come back MG!!!! Have the crossovers always been that hard to get? this is my first time doing this, so I am not quite sure what to expect. These are not GEM or PRO cards....these are SGC, GAI cards.......any advice?
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cnote's experience is not unusual. I've had the same experience with both modern and vintage.
If you want to cross, you will have to crack.
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I agree that, over the long haul, it is a waste of money.
I think the word "fair" probably does not really apply.
SGC seems quite prepared to accept the correct grades
of other top-tier TPGs. PSA is FAR less liberal in that regard.
I don't see either leaning as "fair" or "unfair." It's more
a matter of fairly liberal VS terribly conservative.
Steve
<< <i>.......any advice? >>
Yea dont bother, its a complete waste of money.
Edit: I got sucked in by using the service with my membership renewal's 6 free subs- of the 6 two got the .5 bump up and I can honestly say out of the 6 four were pretty much equal in terms of condition ( 2 of those 4 bumped ) After that I submitted about 6-8 high dollar cards and all got shot down, a few of them were breathtaking compared to some .5 bumps Ive compared them with.
Did I say it was a waste of money? Well I forgot to add its a complete joke as well.
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<< <i>.......any advice? >>
Yea dont bother, its a complete waste of money.
Edit: I got sucked in by using the service with my membership renewal's 6 free subs- of the 6 two got the .5 bump up and I can honestly say out of the 6 four were pretty much equal in terms of condition ( 2 of those 4 bumped ) After that I submitted about 6-8 high dollar cards and all got shot down, a few of them were breathtaking compared to some .5 bumps Ive compared them with.
Did I say it was a waste of money? Well I forgot to add its a complete joke as well. >>
Hey Paul....
Tell us how you really feel!!!!
Iv'e seen the scans of the cards Paul's talking about....and I would have to agree with him.
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1) Should cross over every time with no problem.
2) Might cross over if PSA is okay with the...
3) No chance. Dump to next treasure hunter ASAP noting no return policy since card has been third party certified.
Since you paid 1/2 PSA price for the PSA grade you hope to get, and you're buying cards from people who don't fear an increase in wealth, you'll eventually figure out that it's a hard way to make easy money.
When I put together the program for SGC, we set it up that the "Review" process was a lower fee, then an upcharge was added if the card met or exceeded the minimum grade requested by the submitter. This helped elminate the perception by the submitter that the service was only a revenue generator rather than a truly objective service tier.
PSA's process seems to be nothing more than a source of added revenue for limited service. You end up paying the full price for less than the full service. And even then, if the card is deemed to meet the minimum grade, it is a rare case indeed that the grade is bumped to a higher grade should the card deserve it.
The drawback, and this was clearly stated at SGC, is in the event that upon cracking a card out of the case it is determined that the card has been altered, it will not and cannot be returned to the original slab and would be returned in a CS1.
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Crossover = crapshoot.
Why crossover? 1) you want to add to your registry set; 2) you want an increase in market value because it's in a PSA slab; 3) the card looks better in a PSA slab
Well, two out three reasons are valid. And, there again is the proof that a crossover should not be assumed to come back the same grade. If all grading companies gave the same grade for the same card the values would be equal.
I agree with the notion of a lesser fee for a review, and a surcharge for PSA to reholder the card. That is a fair, and transparent, pricing model. The same should be offered for PSA to review and bump PSA cards.
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I'm not going to be-och about my SGC 86 Below fresh back from PSA
Cracked it out. Purchased on ebay for around $30 if i recall correctly.
I have cracked SGC cards and received the same or higher PSA grades.
I think the reason crossovers fail is simply PSA does not want to be put into a position
where it must cross at the same grade (or higher) without seeing the card raw.
Perhaps they should have set it up where the submitter has no say in min grade.
Steve
Another factor is that despite Nick's experience, it is impossible (in my mind) for PSA to tell if a card has been altered while it sits encapsulated by another TPG.
So when PSA breaks open the (SGC, GAI) case they are committed.
What if after cracking, they determine it's been sheet cut, etc? They are now committed to holdering the card.
Because of this, I don't think they are comfortable at all evaluating cards in other holders.
<< <i>I agree with the above statement.
Another factor is that despite Nick's experience, it is impossible (in my mind) for PSA to tell if a card has been altered while it sits encapsulated by another TPG.
So when PSA breaks open the (SGC, GAI) case they are committed.
What if after cracking, they determine it's been sheet cut, etc? They are now committed to holdering the card.
Because of this, I don't think they are comfortable at all evaluating cards in other holders. >>
I would not suspect that they are "committed" to holdering the card once they crack it out. That is a liability that NO TPG would assume in evaluating an encapsulated card. That risk and liability is assumed by the submitter.
Why get into a problem with a submitter?
That is exactly why the usually err on the side of caution.
Steve
Here are my results...
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type Country
1 1 14358984 NEAR MINT 7 1906 FAN CRAZE N.L. J. EDWARD HANLON Card US
2 1 14358985 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1928 W513 79 TONY LAZZERI HAND CUT Card US
3 1 14358986 POOR 1 1945 CARAMELO DEPORTIVO CUBAN LEAGUE 1945-1946 65 MARTIN DIHIGO Card US
1 1 14358996 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1909-1911 T206 SWEET CAPORAL TY COBB PORTRAIT-RED Card US
2 1 14358997 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1911 T205 GOLD BORDER ADDIE JOSS Card US
The only card that was downgraded was the Lazzeri hand cut card. I thought it may only make an 8 because the cut was slightly wavy, so I put down a PSA8 as my minimum grade. All others crossed over grade for grade.
Here are the scans of the original cards...Donato
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<< <i>Looks like I got lucky with the below 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle. (Crossed from SGC to PSA).
/s/ JackWESQ >>
Congrats...
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