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Lauras' report is up on the Legend Website

BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
More or less an upbeat report. There appears to be slowly building interest

is....of all....things.... Commemoratives (Don't know if this is classic or modern)

as well as MS-/ PR Walking Liberty Halves and gold, gold, gold.

There once was a place called
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    BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Interesting. Whats Dreck?
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    SCDHunterSCDHunter Posts: 686 ✭✭✭


    << <i>More or less an upbeat report. There appears to be slowly building interest

    is....of all....things....Classic Commemoratives, as well as MS-/ PR Walking

    Liberties and gold, gold, gold. >>



    Maybe her report was revised, but all it stated was "Commems.", under the hot section. I interpret this to mean that my 1982 Washington Half Dollars are finally moving!image
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    Dreck is what is more commonly knows as horse dumplings.

    It is common coins in average to sub par condition. as well

    as coins that have been around the track many, many times.
    There once was a place called
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    LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dreck is what is more commonly knows as horse dumplings.

    It is common coins in average to sub par condition. >>



    Thanks Mr Bearimage
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funny thing about that dreck that she mentioned. Why don't the TPGs just return it ungraded and refund the submitter's money? Also strange how some can grade right to the gnat's ass as a 65.7 yet there is so much over and undergraded stuff that is off by a point or more. Would a 65.7 get a CAC bean as a 65?
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    Mr error on the Commems, it was just my assumption

    that she meant classic. Actually, I don't know which

    she meant.
    There once was a place called
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hehe- read the first sentence in the paragraph that starts "HEAVY THURSDAY"image then read the 3rd word
    thanks laura for the great read
    may the fonz be with you...always...
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    and I beleive the "dreck" she refers to are the coins that keep getting flipped at the auctions (same coins every couple of months trying to get higher bids) and generic coins (ms65/66 morgan common dates)
    may the fonz be with you...always...
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You got to respect her, she always tells it like it is, and that is what i most respect about her, she should be here under the name Truthteller if you ask me. The Lady sure knows her stuff about coins, I bought one from her on 3/30/09 and it is one of the nicest pieces in my collection, very accurately described and photographed by her firm and an easy transaction. >>



    Mark's pics will be better
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    The full version.


    Not like the crackout giants of doctoring fame
    With conquering dreck astride from land to land;
    Here at our stunningly-toned, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a touch, whose fame
    Is the improvised spelling, and her name
    Mother of Rarities. From her bacon-hand
    Glows five-figure coins; her wild eyes command
    The world-class auctions where fresh material reigns.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your uneducated investors!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your gold, your commems,
    Your PQ walkers yearning to breathe free,
    The original copper of your gleaming store.
    Send these, the GEMS, plastic-encased to me,
    I lift my phone atop the bourse floor!"
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    An Excallent retelling of the Emma Lazarus poem,

    on the base of the Staue of Liberty. If I was Laura

    I would have it framed.
    There once was a place called
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It sounds like 1/100 of 1 % of non-gold coins on the market are now double nuclear.

    The non-gold good stuff is not being offered while the non-gold bad stuff is dead, dead, dead.
    All glory is fleeting.
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    Bring out your gold

    Old gold, new gold

    Used gold or mint gold

    Bring out your gold

    If it's gold, It's sold

    Be it fractional or higher

    Bring out your gold

    Now is the time

    To get off the dime

    Bring out your gold!
    There once was a place called
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now that the more common MS64-66 commems are deader than dead after taking another 30-50% hairuct over the past 9 months, it would not surprise if some dealers actually felt they were just too cheap not to promote. But then, Legend has mentioned in previous reports over the past couple of years that commems were picking up and seeing interest, esp. the matched gem sets. If you took that advice, you are paying for it today. Sure, they've been pepetual bargains year after year, as the prices fall further and further. It's been 20 yrs since they last peaked and much of that was due to small slabbed supplies and Wall Street money chasing them. Then again it's been 45 yrs since 1950-d and common BU rolls were the rage. When do we expect 1950-d nickels to come back to their former highs?

    The other point that I took from the report is that what dealers want and are paying strong for are fresh, higher end quality, zero problems, gem coins in those series which are in demand right now. And by fresh, that usually means off the market for >10 years years and priced attractively. Well who wouldn't buy all the coins that meet those specifications? Typically, the owner has had them long enough where he can sell at a decent profit and not miss the 10-20% wholesale commission he will be giving away. And if the owner has done nothing to try to upgrade or cross the coins even better. It does seem the market definition of what "fresh" means gets stricter each month. The percentage of coins that meet this requirement is very low. Again, it's exactly the same type of reasoning that was used from 1981-1982 to not pay CDN bid for gem coins. In those days, few coins were "gem" enough to realize CDN bid. Today, the gem coins are not "fresh" enough to realize CDN bid. The grey sheet had an interesting write up in the weekly report about "fresh" coins.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    Actually, I believe that Gem+ Commems, may be bouncing

    along the bottom. Now is not a bad time to pick up a few

    top ' o' the Line examples that you are fond of.
    There once was a place called
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bear, those top of the line examples are rarely offered and make up a tiny portion of the total commems. But I would agree that the numbers are at a 20 yr bottom. In fact, if the coin market experiences a wide explosion in interest as it did in 1989, then once again Commems will see a lot of interest as there won't be enough coins around to fill all the demand.

    I remember experiencing first hand in the summer of 1980 the change in grading standards from my then #1 local dealer. What he had been selling me as gem commems from 1977-1979 were no longer desireable to him. He didn't even want to make offers on his own coins because he knew he would only insult me. That was the last time I ever did business with him. He still has the same shop 29 years later.

    It would be a good exercise if collectors would occasionally take some of the coins they bought from their primary dealers to see what kind of offers they would get. I think they would be surprised that in many cases they won't get offers but instead would just say they are overstocked in those or have no current demand. And if you offer up a price it will be usually be a "pass" because the margin is too tight or once again, "it's a very attractive price, but we just have nowhere to go with it at the moment. Maybe you could try dealer XYZ who usually has a lot larger demand for these."

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    I agree with you, that Top of the Line Commems

    represent only 5-10% of the total available supply.

    I prefer MS-66 to MS-68 for the not too expensive ones.

    As for selling coins, in this tight money market, you

    really have to offer certain portions of your collection

    to specialists that handle and have clients for those

    coins.

    TOP of the Line Commems: This is what I would require

    Full, deep, even luster

    unmarked

    Nice toning both sides

    Strong stike for that particular commem

    Does not appear improperly dipped or played with.
    There once was a place called
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Top of the Line Commems

    represent only 5-10% of the total available supply.



    I'm not sure how you define "top of the line" so I don't know if I agree.

    However, it's worth pointing out that, given the price structure of the series, there's less incentive to doctor and/or upgrade commems than most other series. So it follows that "top of the line" coins are even less available in most other series.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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    speetyspeety Posts: 5,424


    << <i>You got to respect her, she always tells it like it is, and that is what i most respect about her, she should be here under the name Truthteller if you ask me. The Lady sure knows her stuff about coins, I bought one from her on 3/30/09 and it is one of the nicest pieces in my collection, very accurately described and photographed by her firm and an easy transaction. >>



    Does the picture have a brown tint to it? A month or two before your purchase we bought a coin that is absolutely gorgeous but the pic came out a little brown (but the description was spot on).

    I agree with all else you said!
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    Andy, I modified my previous reply to define what

    I consider a top of the line Commem. I do realize

    that not all of the various commems, even right

    from the Mint,do not have all of these characteristics.

    Those Commems I would not collect. Just my personal

    opinion and taste.
    There once was a place called
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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Top of the line commems are far fewer than the stated 5-10% of the commem population even if one takes into account only those coins within a particular grade.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    If we lump 66,67 & 68 grades together ,we probably would be close.
    There once was a place called
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    pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Will someone give a few examples of a PCGS or NGC graded DRECK coin that dealers offer 60 percent or less money on?? I have a feeling those are the coins i perfer to have in my collection/ Where can i buy these graded coins that cheap??????????

    Yeah right Commens are smoking hot....
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    I am sure that that is dealer to dealer. I have not seen any such

    offered at that price to collectors. I believe that dealers are sitting

    on such eggs, hoping, I presume, that they will hatch into gold coins.
    There once was a place called
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    wayneherndonwayneherndon Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭


    << <i>More or less an upbeat report. There appears to be slowly building interest

    is....of all....things.... Commemoratives (Don't know if this is classic or modern)

    as well as MS-/ PR Walking Liberty Halves and gold, gold, gold. >>



    I think you can be pretty sure this is classic commems. Laura is not know for dealing in modern commems.

    WH
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    Always thought Silver Commemoratives were a neat area and keep waiting for their time in the sun. And I've been waiting a long time!

    Jay
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    Reading the report the market still looks slow to me.
    EXCEPT.... Gold. With the economy being in a shabbles EVERYONE is looking for a safe hedge against economic ruin. When you can't trust GM to be around , inflation about to take hold, the bond market schizophrenic, banks failing ......GOLD looks good.

    My neighbors who have NO interest in coins stopped buy my house and wanted to know when the next coin show in Orlando was so they could buy gold coins. Go figure!

    JMHO .... i could be wrong
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