All-Time Football Sets

recbball

I had some extra time on my hands and put together set requests and checklists for the Falcons, Seahawks and Saints All-Time sets.
I looked through the rosters for every year of existence of all three teams and made the minimum requirement to make the all-time teams at 3 pro-bowl appearances.
I got all my info from Pro-Football Refrence.com and the Beckett web site to look up the RCs.
I did make a couple of exceptions on the Saints team as Manning and Rogers only have two pro-bowl appearances.
Also I overvalued the Vick card in the Falcons set weighting, but I think the people at PSA will take care of that.
The only card I listed that I wasn't sure about was:1992 Wild Card WL Michael Sinclair #55. I pretty sure this is his first card, but not if it is his RC.
Hopefully the sets will go on-line during football season.

ALL-TIME SAINTS

CARD NO. ITEM NAME GRADE WEIGHT
55 1972 Topps Archie Manning 2
467 1977 Topps Chuck Muncie 1
275 1980 Topps Wes Chandler 1
410 1982 Topps George Rogers 1
300 1984 Topps Morten Andersen 1
303 1984 Topps Rickey Jackson 1
65 1988 Topps Sam Mills 1
66 1988 Topps Pat Swilling 1
65 1989 Score Vaughan Johnson 1
421 1993 Bowman Willie Roaf 1
109 1996 Crown Royale Joe Horn 1
151 1999 Ultra La’Roi Glover 1
229 2001 Topps Chrome Drew Brees 2


ALL-TIME SEAHAWKS

CARD NO. ITEM NAME GRADE WEIGHT
177 1977 Topps Steve Largent 10
384 1983 Topps Kenny Easley 1
195 1984 Topps Dave Krieg 1
198 1984 Topps Curt Warner 1
393 1985 Topps Fredd Young 1
401 1989 Pro Set Eugene Robinson 1
39 1990 Action Packed Cortez Kennedy 1
62 1990 Action Packed Rookie Update Chris Warren 1
60 1991 Stadium Club Ricky Watters 1
55 1992 Wild Card WL Michael Sinclair 1
389 1993 Ultra Chad Brown 1
6 1997 SP Authentic Walter Jones 2
131 1998 Collector's Edge First Place Matt Hasselbeck 5
228 2000 Leaf Rookies & Stars Julian Peterson 1
140 2000 SP Authentic Shaun Alexander 7
185 Pacific Crown Royale Steve Hutchinson 3
131 2005 SPx Lofa Tatupu 1


ALL-TIME FALCONS

CARD NO. ITEM NAME GRADE WEIGHT
7 1967 Philadelphia Tommy Nobis 8
156 1970 Topps Claude Humphrey 7
109 1971 George Kunz 1
348 1974 Topps John James 1
298 1975 Topps Jeff Van Note 1
223 1976 Topps Billy Johnson 2
73 1980 William Andrews 1
215 1981 Topps Mike Kenn 1
290 1982 Topps R.C. Thielemann 1
25 1983 Topps Gerald Riggs 1
15 1984 Topps Chris Hinton 1
300 1984 Topps Morten Andersen 1
367 1986 Topps Bill Fralic 1
246 1989 Score Deion Sanders 1
272 1989 Score Andre Rison 1
269 1990 Score Jessie Tuggle 1
413 1993 Game Day Elbert Shelley 1
10 1997 SP Authentic Warrick Dunn 3
3 1998 SP Authentic Keith Brooking 3
262 2001 Topps Chrome Michael Vick 10
285 2001 Topps Chrome Alge Crumpler 3

JasP24

Did you count 3 Pro Bowls in their career or 3 with that particular team? Also, did you use a minimum season requirement? Meaning the guy needed to play at least 50% of his career with that particular team?

Nice work. I never did these teams because I could never come up with enough players I thought were worthy, wanting at least 15 players to make a set...When I submitted most of the other All-Time Team Sets, I used 5 Pro Bowls OR 3 1st Team All-Pro selections as the criteria. And also the player needed to have played at least 50% of his career with that team.

Some assistance regarding the card selections:

Sam Mills- has a 1985 Topps USFL card which is considered his XRC. To me, that would be his most desirable, but that's just my opinion.
Vaughn Johnson- Same as above..He has a 1984 Topps USFL card. If either of these players were to make the HOF, the USFL card would be the one going on the HOF RC set, as they are more valuable.
La'Roi Glover-has 8 possible RC options, are you certain the Ultra is the most valuable?
Chad Brown- Same as above, he has 5 choices..
Michael Sinclair- He does not have a card listed in the Beckett Ultimate Rookie Card Encyclopedia..Not sure how PSA will handle that.
Lofa Tatupu- Lots of options, do you know if the SPX is the most valuable non-auto/jersey/game used type card? Also, numbered to at least /999?

Everything else looks good to go...

Please don't take any of my comments as anything other than trying to assist and/or provide another viewpoint. You are free to request whatever and whoever you want in these sets. As a guy who has submitted many new sets to PSA over the years, I just thought I could provide additional info to help you put together the best possible sets for the collecting public.

Look forward to seeing these online. Long overdue...
Jason

JasP24

This could prove helpful as well:

Three current players voted to Saints HOF all-time squad
To commemorate the club's 40th anniversary, the New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame has selected its All-40th Anniversary Team. The Hall of Fame updates its all-time team every five years, and this latest squad of head coach and players features three standouts from the club's current roster -- WR Joe Horn, KR/PR Michael Lewis and special teams stalwart Fred McAfee.

The players are chosen in a vote by the Hall of Fame media selection committee, which includes local and regional media members who cover the Saints now or did so in the past. The All-40th Anniversary Team is as follows, with an asterisk (*) designating those players who have already been inducted into the Hall of Fame:


OFFENSE


* Wide Receiver - Eric Martin*

* Wide Receiver - Joe Horn

* Tackle - William Roaf (Unanimous)

* Tackle - Stan Brock* (Unanimous)

* Guard - Jim Dombrowski* (Unanimous)

* Guard - Jake Kupp* (Unanimous)

* Center - John Hill*

* Tight End - Hoby Brenner*

* Quarterback - Archie Manning*

* Running Back - Dalton Hilliard* (Unanimous)

* Running Back - George Rogers*

* Athlete - Wes Chandler*



DEFENSE


* Defensive Line - Wayne Martin* (Unanimous)

* Defensive Line - Jim Wilks* (Unanimous)

* Defensive Line - Joe Johnson

* Defensive Line - Derland Moore*

* Linebacker - Sam Mills* (Unanimous)

* Linebacker - Vaughan Johnson* (Unanimous)

* Linebacker - Rickey Jackson* (Unanimous)

* Linebacker - Pat Swilling* (Unanimous)

* Cornerback - Dave Waymer* (Unanimous)

* Cornerback - Johnnie Poe

* Safety - Tommy Myers*

* Safety - Sammy Knight


SPECIALISTS


* Kicker - Morten Andersen

* Punter - Tommy Barnhardt

* Special Teams Player - Fred McAfee

* Kick/Punt Returner - Michael Lewis

* Coach - Jim Mora*

Offense
WR Steve Largent 1976-89 Team's only Hall of Famer retired as NFL career leader in catches, yards and TDs
OT Walter Jones 1997-current Team's first Pro Bowl lineman and probably its second Hall of Famer
G Steve Hutchinson 2001-current Three straight Pro Bowls make him team's best guard after just five seasons
C Robbie Tobeck 2000-current Five-year Seattle starter, a first alternate to Pro Bowl this season, edges Blair Bush
G Bryan Millard 1984-91 Texas Longhorn was a solid starter for Seahawks at both guard and tackle
OT Howard Ballard 1994-98 The House was a Pro Bowler earlier in Buffalo, but had five good years in Seattle
TE Mike Tice 1981-88, '90-91 Most catches in a year was 29, but cleared out a lot of path for Curt Warner
WR Brian Blades 1988-98 Caught at least 70 passes five times, No. 2 in Seahawks career receptions, yards
QB Dave Krieg 1980-91 Matt Hasselbeck has to play a few more years to pass numbers of three-time Pro Bowler
RB Shaun Alexander 2000-current Team's only league MVP beats out CWx2, Curt Warner and Chris Warren
FB John L. Williams 1986-93 Apologies to Mack Strong, but Williams is career No. 3 receiver, No. 4 rusher, was a great blocker
K Norm Johnson 1982-90 Seahawks' career scoring leader (810 points)
Defense
DE Michael Sinclair 1991-2001 Played 11 seasons and is the team's No. 2 sack man, with 73.5
DT Joe Nash 1982-96 The team's career leader in games played (218) and blocked field goals (8)
DT Cortez Kennedy 1990-2000 More Pro Bowls (8) than any Seahawk and was NFL's defensive player of the year in 1992
DE Jacob Green 1980-91 The Seahawks' career sacks leader (116) was a two-time Pro Bowler
LB Keith Butler 1978-87 Second in career tackles (813), played all 10 NFL seasons with Seahawks
LB Chad Brown 1997-2004 Fourth in career tackles (744), first in snakes and reptiles owned
LB Fredd Young 1984-87 Top tackler from 1985 to 1987, went to two Pro Bowls for special teams, two as linebacker
CB Dave Brown 1976-86 Ring of Honor member intercepted team-record 50 passes in 11 seasons
CB Shawn Springs 1997-2003 Tied for fifth on career interceptions list (20), but No. 2 among CBs
SS Kenny Easley 1981-87 Went to five Pro Bowls and was NFL defensive player of the year in 1984
FS Eugene Robinson 1985-95 Team's all-time leading tackler (984), No. 2 in interceptions (42)
P Rick Tuten 1991-97 Only Seahawks punter to make Pro Bowl
Special teams
PR Joey Galloway 1995-99 Team-record four punt returns for touchdowns
KR Steve Broussard 1995-98 Former Washington State Cougar averaged 23.6 yards on 165 returns
ST Rufus Porter 1988-94 Two Pro Bowls as a special-teams player

recbball

Hi Jason,

Any advice is always welcome. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.
I went with al least 4 years with the team. That elininated a few players like Eric Allen and Cris Doleman.
For pro-bowls with the team only one player came up that I was on the fence about. That was Rickey Watters. He didn't get any of his pro-bowls with the Seahawks, but I included him because he had 3 1000+ yard rushing seasons with the Seahawks.
I agree with you on V. Johnson and S. Mills. I would rather have their USFL cards included, but figured PSA would shoot it down because of their listing in Beckett. I will send a follow-up e-mail to PSA and see if they go for it.
For La'Roi Glover I just picked one, they were all base cards with no serial #s that go for a quarter on Beckett marketplace.
For Chad Brown I went with '93 Ultra because all the others had no serial #s and this set was used for Michael Strahan's RC, so I figured it might be desirable.
For Lofa Tatupu SPx it is numbered to 1199, some of the other choices are under 999 such as Donruss Gridiron Gear and all the similar cards price the same on Beckett market place. I couldn't get the print runs on all his serial # cards so I might have overlooked a company with a smaller run above 999.

Thanks,
Tom

recbball

Jason,

That's great stuff with the HOF teams, but to include some of those players I would have to knock the min. down to one pro-bowl.
I only had that low min. of 1 pro-bowl with the All-Time Bears because I bleed orange and blue, lol.
Once the sets are on-line, if any fans wanted to vote a certain guy in that would be fine with me. I just wanted to put something out there for three teams that don't have much going with the PSA registry sets. The Browns already have a HOF set and I think the Panthers, Jags and Texans are too young to have an all-time set yet.

Tom

JasP24

Yeah, I always used the 3rd party "all-time teams" as just another reference point. Helps find guys like say Archie Manning who should definitely be part of the Saints set, but maybe doesn't meet the Pro Bowl criteria...I figure the more info you have to make your decisions the better. More guys to look into and learn about too!

FYI, the USFL Mills and Johnson ARE listed in the Beckett Encyclopedia as Rookie cards for each, along with the 88 Topps and 89 Score.

Good stuff, I think your thought process on these teams was excellent. Adding in your explanations, all the set selections make perfect sense to me. You can tell when someone does their homework and when they don't. Much like the Bears set, you put rational thought into your ideas and I think the final product is a good one. Looking through some of my own database stuff, here's a few more names that IMO, warrant inclusion:

Seahawks
RB- John L. Williams..To me, you can't have Watters and not have Williams. 4th all-time rusher..3rd all-time WR..Great player.
QB- Jim Zorn..Not great stats, but without him, Largent isn't a HOFer. Only Krieg started more games at QB (just 3 more).
WR- Brian Blades..581 receptions in 10 years with the Seahawks
CB- Dave Brown...All-time Seahawks INT leader

Falcons
QB- Steve Bartkowski...All-Time leading passer in Falcons history
RB- Jamal Anderson...4- 1,000 yard rushing seasons, most ever in one season 1,846, led team to first and only Super Bowl

Saints
RB- Deuce McAlister..All-time leading rusher in Saints history
WR- Eric Martin...All-Time leading WR in team history

Jason

SDSportsFan

I'd add Jim Zorn to the Seahawks set, Steve Bartkowski to the Falcons, and Tom Dempsey to the Saints.


Steve

recbball

Just an update on the All-Time Saints team:

I spoke with Cosetta about the Sam Mills and Vaughan Johnson RCs for the All-Time Saints. She got the RCs switched and they are now the following:

1984 Topps USFL #42 Vaughan Johnson XRC
1985 Topps USFL #19 Sam Mills XRC

I have each set in a showcase right now until the sets come on-line:

All-Time Seahawks

All-Time Saints

All-Time Falcons

Tom

recbball

Hi everyone,

Checked the set requests waiting list and the All-Time Falcons, Seahawks and Saints are 7, 8 and 9 out respectively.
Hopefully they will be entered next week.

Tom

recbball

The all-time Falcons, Seahawks and Saints sets are now on-line!

rexvos

<< <i>I had some extra time on my hands and put together set requests and checklists for the Falcons, Seahawks and Saints All-Time sets.
I looked through the rosters for every year of existence of all three teams and made the minimum requirement to make the all-time teams at 3 pro-bowl appearances.
I got all my info from Pro-Football Refrence.com and the Beckett web site to look up the RCs.
I did make a couple of exceptions on the Saints team as Manning and Rogers only have two pro-bowl appearances.
Also I overvalued the Vick card in the Falcons set weighting, but I think the people at PSA will take care of that.
The only card I listed that I wasn't sure about was:1992 Wild Card WL Michael Sinclair #55. I pretty sure this is his first card, but not if it is his RC.
Hopefully the sets will go on-line during football season.

ALL-TIME SAINTS

CARD NO. ITEM NAME GRADE WEIGHT
55 1972 Topps Archie Manning 2
467 1977 Topps Chuck Muncie 1
275 1980 Topps Wes Chandler 1
410 1982 Topps George Rogers 1
300 1984 Topps Morten Andersen 1
303 1984 Topps Rickey Jackson 1
65 1988 Topps Sam Mills 1
66 1988 Topps Pat Swilling 1
65 1989 Score Vaughan Johnson 1
421 1993 Bowman Willie Roaf 1
109 1996 Crown Royale Joe Horn 1
151 1999 Ultra La’Roi Glover 1
229 2001 Topps Chrome Drew Brees 2


>>



make the Saints

85 USFL Mills
84 USFL Vaughn Johnson
88 Topps Dalton Hilliard
87 Topps Eric Martin
2001 Topps Chrome Deuce McAllister
81 Topps Elois Grooms
73 Topps Tommy Myers
83 Topps Stan Brock
83 Topps Bruce Clark
77 Topps Tony Galbreath

just is off the top of my head,

CDsNuts

Iron Head Heyward deserves to be on both the Saints and Falcons All Time teams.

rexvos

<< <i>Iron Head Heyward deserves to be on both the Saints and Falcons All Time teams. >>



agree.

recbball

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestions.
I started these sets with min requirements of three pro-bowls just to get the sets started.
I have no problem with adding players, but at this point you have to start the set and ask for the addition of a player from PSA.

Thanks,
Tom