Can someone please explain the term slider to me?

Realone · May 22, 2009 7:40AM

Especially when it comes to bust dimes, and in particular one that is graded au58.

rld14 · May 22, 2009 7:46AM

It means a coin that's BARELY AU.. a MS coin with just a TINY bit of rub on it. Coins like these are often sold raw as BUs.

Barndog · May 22, 2009 7:50AM

I've always thought of a slider as an AU58 to someone who knew what they were looking at...and an MS63+ to someone who doesn't have a clue.

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commoncents05 · May 22, 2009 7:53AM

Barely AU meaning, so close to MS, not XF. Also known as "commercial BUs" because many are sold as BU when they are not.

-Paul

ziggy29 · May 22, 2009 7:53AM

<< Now you have confused me, are you sure you meant to say barely au, because to me that would put it down to xf, then later you went on to say an ms coin with a tiny bit of rub which to me sounds like barely ms. Don't mean to be argumentative but it seems like you are possibly switching things around? >>

"Barely AU" as in "just misses MS." Maybe "barely misses MS designation" might have been more clear.

The old-school definition of a "slider" would be close to today's technical AU-58, except that many of those are market graded as MS-61 to MS-63.

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PerryHall · May 22, 2009 7:54AM

The term originated to describe a coin that's otherwise uncirculated but looks like it had been slid (hence, slider) across a table top resulting slight rub on the highest points of the design.

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joecopper · May 22, 2009 7:55AM

I kind of agree with barndog

PerryHall · May 22, 2009 7:57AM

<< 

<< I've always thought of a slider as an AU58 to someone who knew what they were looking at...and an MS63+ to someone who doesn't have a clue. >>

Thanks Barndog, so it seems that slider means au pq, or au with a gold sticker, or au that could possibly upgrade to ms. Is this what you are saying? >>

I've seen sliders in all top tier slabs with MS grades. A true slider looks like an uncirculated coin at first glance but has a trace of light wear upon closer examination.

Barndog · May 22, 2009 8:00AM

here's a slider:

Graded by PCGS (long ago) as MS-62.
Sold raw by B&M as AU-58.
Now housed in an NGC AU-58 holder.

pennyannie · May 22, 2009 8:00AM

Say you have a fantastic standing liberty quarter, well struck, booming luster, full head and never saw circulation except to be removed froma original bank wrapped roll. Say on the day you brought it home it was a ms65. Over the years you had the coin laying in the top drawer of a dresser and over the many years it would occasionally slide a few milimeters when the drawer was opened and closed to show others the coin or what have you. Will that touch of rub on the high spots make it a AU58 at best now??

I would assume for years there was not a great way to protect coins from harm and the bottle of silver cleaner to keep them shined up.

CarlWohlforth · May 22, 2009 8:02AM

Perry nailed it. When you stack coins or they rub against each other or along your coin cabinet the luster gets rubbed off the high parts of the design. Technically the coin may not have circulated but shows some signs of circulation. Typically a slider will have few to no hits and good fields with a rub on the high points.

Barn is also right. Sliders are real money makers for unscrupulous dealers. They can be bought as AU and sold as MS.

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Bear · May 22, 2009 8:09AM

It also refers to a White Castle mini burger.

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Broadstruck · May 22, 2009 8:12AM

<< It also refers to a White Castle mini burger. >>

Here's a Super Slider example.

GrumpyEd · May 22, 2009 8:34AM

I think it has 2 meanings:

A coin that was unc but has some signs of sliding from shelf wear from a coin cabinet. (the things with felt lined compartments)

or

A coin that barely makes the UNC grades, like a guy sliding into home base and barely making it. (those coins might grade AU-MS63 depending on the grader)

WoodenJefferson · May 22, 2009 8:36AM

I’m sure there is more than a hand full of explanations for the term “slider” it appears to be a catch-all phrase (or just plain lazy approach) to explain conditions between AU and MS conditions.

I had an old timer back in 70’s tell me he had a bunch of slider Walking liberty half dollars because the previous owner used felt lined drawers to store his collection and he explained to me that the coins would slide back and forth as the drawer was opened and closed.

That does not explain how the rub got on both sides since most collectors store their raw coins tails down.

To me a “slider’ means it’s an AU coin but at first glance appears to be Mint State. A closer examination of the high spots will reveal that the coin in question has some type of slight circulation.

PerryHall · May 22, 2009 8:41AM

<< Sliders are real money makers for unscrupulous dealers. They can be bought as AU and sold as MS. >>

I remeber when PCGS coins first entered the market place in the late 1980's. It was tough trying to find PCGS AU58 coins since dealers were buying them and cracking them out to sell them as mint state coins.

Broadstruck · May 22, 2009 8:45AM

Here's another Super Slider.

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yellowkid · May 22, 2009 9:12AM

When last I was collecting (late 70's) it was a term you heard every day and in all the rags, I think this is the first time I have heard it here.

PCcoins · May 22, 2009 9:12AM

That 1892-O is awesome!

LindeDad · May 22, 2009 9:52AM

The term "Slider" is part of the reason we now have acronyms like PCGS and NGC.

Obiwancanoli · May 22, 2009 11:11AM

<< It also refers to a White Castle mini burger. >>

Ahhhhh... White Castles!!!!

Gut Bombs!

13 for a buck... oooh, wait... dating myself here...

There's no White Castle's around California way... but Motown had its share, and I was a frequent customer.

Damn, I miss 'em...

Frankcoins · May 22, 2009 11:14AM

<< The term originated to describe a coin that's otherwise uncirculated but looks like it had been slid (hence, slider) across a table top resulting slight rub on the highest points of the design. >>

Often that is the explanation given, or that the coin has "slide marks" from an album.

Both are incorrect.

It comes from "let it slide" because it's so close, or something that "slid by" inspection, because, at first glance,
seemed to meet the standards, but upon closer inspection, falls short.

al410 · May 22, 2009 12:13PM

Three different coin dictionary explanations of the term "Slider"

slider: a coin that is graded AU but looks good enough to be BU. May be improperly sold as BU by less than scrupulous dealers.

Slider - A coin which a less scrupulous individual might sell at a higher grade than it really merits. The term usually refers to a nearly mint state coin which is, or could be offered as a full mint state.

slider
-a term meaning the coin simulates a higher grade than it really is. Often a slider has been cleaned, treated, or whizzed to give the appearance of being uncirculated. Worth less than the coin that has not been cleaned or treated.

Al

PerryHall · May 22, 2009 10:41PM

Another popular phrase that I used to hear was "Coin World uncirculated" for a dipped bright AU coin. This term originated because this is what you would usually receive if you ordered a BU coin from one of those CW advertisers.

halfhunter · May 22, 2009 11:17PM

I remember before all this grade-by-number nonsense, dealers would use terms in their ads like; "Choice brilliant uncirculated with just the slightest cabinet friction". Same coin, my grade "Dipped-out AU dog".
See, grading was EASY then, and we didn't need no third party graders!

Regards,

John

TwoSides2aCoin · May 22, 2009 11:37PM

<< I remember before all this grade-by-number nonsense, dealers would use terms in their ads like; "Choice brilliant uncirculated with just the slightest cabinet friction". Same coin, my grade "Dipped-out AU dog".
See, grading was EASY then, and we didn't need no third party graders!

Regards,

John >>

Grading was always easy. Agreeing with a dealer on the price for grade is the quaqmire.

Lancastercoin · May 23, 2009 1:07AM

A slider is an AU coin that either:

1) a seller wants BU money for, or
2) a collector paid BU money for.

7over8 · May 23, 2009 1:30AM

what a distinctive taste

a White Castle slider

although we called them "rat-burgers", since you had no idea of what they were made out of.......

and they were open all night, so they tasted even better at 2am

but a Slider.........a term used so frequently in the 1970's and 1980's, still used today, defines a AU58+ coin so close to a BU but just the slightest bit of wear.....

many of these "sliders" were passed off as BU's, especially in BU rolls or Morgans

CarlWohlforth · May 23, 2009 1:33AM

Welcome to the forums Lancastercoin!

COALPORTER · May 23, 2009 2:30AM

Quote: "When you stack coins or they rub against each other ...."

Technically, contract marks with other coins does not knock a coin out of MS range.

Slider- It's an AU coin that someone is trying to put a positive spin on to get more money.

Can someone please explain the term slider to me?

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