Authentic T206? Update Comparison Pic added.

akuracy503 · May 12, 2009 5:52PM

I've been wrong before but the characteristics of this T206 awfully resembles a CSA graded T206 I bought a few months ago thinking it may be real, I was wrong.
Would love to hear opinions and discuss:

T206 Ty Cobb ebay

**Update** Here are scans of the T206 Piedmont Bill Hallman I purchased months back, originally CSA Slabbed NM-MT 8.
I had an experienced local card shop owner look it over and he questioned the registration and the 3D effect around Bill Hallman's image, the card stock and print dots look spot on compared to my other T206 cards.

Would love to hear your opinions before I submit this to PSA.

2dueces · May 12, 2009 11:43PM

It's real, but I would not buy an ungraded Tolsoi Cobb. The pictures make it very hard to see the bottom clearly. Both corners on the top show some signs of dog ears. The seller knows about grading and has some graded cards for sale. If this card grades, he is leaving huge money on the table. But on the other hand he has some other high dollar raw for sale also. So who knows.

WinPitcher · May 12, 2009 11:44PM

Card has registration problems as well.

Steve

stown · May 13, 2009 1:33AM

It could be authentic but I wouldn't touch a card, with that much potential value, without being in a reputable TPG slab.

theklonewarrior · May 13, 2009 1:51AM

Anyone selling a high dollar T206 card without it being holdered, and selling it through a "We Sell it On eBay" store, warrants enough suspicion to stay away. Since the seller will have no knowledge of the authenticity of the card being "they" just list the item for the "real" seller.

stevek · May 13, 2009 2:12AM

Just my opinion, but that corner wear, "dings" looks to me like it was "artificially" done - I gotta say "no" to that card. He's got another vintage Cobb for sale as well that I think was done the same way

akuracy503 · May 13, 2009 3:40AM

SteveK,

I've got to agree with you as I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the pictures, this card looks artificially "aged".

I have a T206 card which came from a CSA slab with a NM-MT grade of "8", has similar registration characteristics as this sellers Cobb, the red background doesn't fit within the frame and has that shading (3D) effect around the image.

I'll be posting a picture of my CSA "8" this evening, stay tuned.

divecchia · May 13, 2009 3:57AM

Even if the card is authentic it may be trimmed making it worth a lot less. Also I agree with a few others that say the dog ears look artificially created and not from actual aging.

I would not bid on it...Donato

smtjoy · May 13, 2009 4:56AM

I think its real and a slight chance it was trimmed. If it was fake then how did the same seller have all the other T and E cards raw. It looks to me like someone found them from an estate and had the bad idea of letting this company sell them vs getting them graded then putting them up for auction.

akuracy503 · May 13, 2009 3:16PM

Bump for the update with added pictures.

akuracy503 · May 14, 2009 1:59AM

Bump for the morning shift.

mikeschmidt · May 14, 2009 3:26AM

The Hallman is real. The question is whether or not it is altered, for which I would suggest that there is a high likelihood.

Beck6 · May 14, 2009 4:13AM

I have seen white outlines before (like on that Hallman), but are yellow lines normal on these? Alot of yellow lines on that Cobb.

akuracy503 · May 14, 2009 4:46AM

<< <i>The Hallman is real. The question is whether or not it is altered, for which I would suggest that there is a high likelihood. >>

The size of the Hallman measures evenly with a SGC 5 T206 i've since cracked and measured side by side.

The slight slanting or diamond cut is consistent with T206 issues, my only concern was that the card looks so flawless that it was fake (The registration didn't give me confidence either, But I had not seen other T206 with similar 3D like images).
I am crossing my fingers on this one as it could be the highest graded Hallman T206 in existence.

Any other hints I should pick up on to determine if this Hallman is altered? It still has a consistent finish or dull gloss so I don't think it's been surface altered.

WinPitcher · May 14, 2009 4:50AM

Legit cards can be out of registration.

Steve

2dueces · May 14, 2009 5:38AM

What I tried to dance around without saying in my first post was it might not grade. That's why it's selling raw. Can't see the bottom clear enough.

The Hallman is also real. But I have reservations about that card grading also. But if it grades, It sure will look pretty in a PSA 8.5 holder.

akuracy503 · May 14, 2009 9:27AM

Bump for the night shift, would like opinions from the experts on what to look for in an altered card.

mikeschmidt · May 14, 2009 11:02AM

<< <i>
The size of the Hallman measures evenly with a SGC 5 T206 i've since cracked and measured side by side.
>>

I certainly wish you luck. That said, size does not necessarily matters with T-206s. The "average" size of a T-206 has declined steadily over the past 25 years. T206s had a number of size variations when first issued [and still occasionally seen]. But once Copeland started paying top dollar for MINT T-206s in the 1980s, many of those formerly oversized cards were trimmed down to "regulation size", and thus may measure correctly but still be altered.

All of your scans are kind of crooked, but most concerning to me is the bottom edge of your card, as it does not look true. [e.g. the corners seem to show a bit of a flair]. Either way, good luck and keep us informed.

fkw · May 17, 2009 12:54PM

Both cards are 100% authentic

Very easy to see. The caption is the easiest way to tell, plus you can tell with the great scans its lithographed (some colors out of registration) and not made with the 4 color process printing all modern cards are printed.

The Cobb has the tougher Tolstoi back too, nice card.

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