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Less of a Jerkwad: Williams or Musial?
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This is a question that's been burning on my membrane: Who is less of a Jerkwad? Williams or Musial?
Now I know both were outstanding players and I would never question their credentials as pure ball players. My question more relates to personality I guess, b/c both players refused to be represented on Topps cards from 59-69? for Williams and 52-58 for Musial?
In short... (and this thread will probably not repair the damage to my rep. already right or wrong)--Were these innocent contractual disputes or are one of these guys more guilty of the other for being "greedy" (i.e. a jerkwad) ??
Now I know both were outstanding players and I would never question their credentials as pure ball players. My question more relates to personality I guess, b/c both players refused to be represented on Topps cards from 59-69? for Williams and 52-58 for Musial?
In short... (and this thread will probably not repair the damage to my rep. already right or wrong)--Were these innocent contractual disputes or are one of these guys more guilty of the other for being "greedy" (i.e. a jerkwad) ??
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that said, you are a jerkwad
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Was one being more greedy than the other? I don't know of any other major ball players that just flat out refused to appear on Topps cards. Or did these guys truly feel their fame was being taken advantage by Topps for financial gain....??
And from everything I have ever read or heard from a former player about Stan, he is one of the nicest guys you could ever want to meet.
Just because a player didn't want to appear on a Topps card does not make them a jerkwad.
Was it simply a financial thing? Was Topps paying other players the same as these 2 but they thought "I am star--I deserve compensation."??
Are you sure about that?
I thought the reason was simply because they were signed exclusively to Bowman.
Mantle, is not in the 54 and 55 Topps sets.
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I guess my ultimate question is: Were all ball players under contract w/Topps but these two stars either felt 1) the $ wasn't enough considering their accomplishments or 2) They had a contract with Bowman (Musial)/Fleer (Williams '59) that paid more and/or prevented them from appearing with Topps...??
And the final ethics question relates to if one of these stars was more difficult--dare I say greedy--and felt they deserved extra compensation before agreeing to appear on a Topps card...
Ted left ball in 1952 to join the usmc in korea as a fighter pilot, so none of it was for $ thats for sure,i'm sure he made alot more $ playing ball than he did in the usmc,he just did what he thought was right.
Im not sure if spahn was in ww2 or not, but im sure both of them had better things to do besides think about cards
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<< <i>What Morgoth said. >>
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<< <i>As mentioned Williams put his life on the line for his country in two different wars. A-rod and Bonds would both throw their mother under a bus if it meant extra money and fame. I don't like comparing this generation of players with those from the "golden age". In my opinion there's simply no comparison... >>
Summer of 68 has it nailed. Great Eastwood shot as well!
But back to the original point, I think Ted Williams is cool for serving his country but why not man up and admit his fame went to his head and he wanted a few extra bucks from Topps??
<< <i>Here's an even better question: You're an idiot. >>
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And what about Mr. Williams absence from the 52-53? Your Fleer reference doesn't add up.
One or both of these guys wanted some extra dough and I'm just trying to figure out who. Not saying that makes them bad people,, makes them smart and human as well.
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Yeah, until his next thread
<< <i>This is a question that's been burning on my membrane: Who is less of a Jerkwad? Williams or Musial? >>
Are you kidding me? Both of these guys did want any of us would do, and went where the most money was. By doing so it doesnt make either a "jerkwad". It makes them smart business people. You cant compare that era of player to today's players, as the money we are talking about back then isn't anywhere near what we are talking about today. Stan Musial/Ted Williams didnt like the contract that they were offered by Topps, so he went with Bowman. To even question who the bigger "jerkwad" is between Musial and Williams, based on them not signing a contract with Topps is just plain ignorant. You're talking about an American hero who put his baseball career on hold to go fight a war in Williams, and one of the gentlman and most approachable players ever in Stan Musial.
The answer was it was not only those two, I even gave you one other example.
Steve
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<< <i>Worst thread ever >>
Yeah, until his next thread >>
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<< <i>growing up my dad hated stan musial, >>
Wow, that's the first time I've ever seen the words hate and Musial used in the same sentence.
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<< <i>Im not sure if spahn was in ww2 or not, but im sure both of them had better things to do besides think about cards
Spahn fought at the Battle of the Bulge and was field decorated and commissioned.
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