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How many of us Do Not have a perfect coin?
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As a modest collector of modest means I collect what I can when I can afford it. I have yet to acquire through submission or purchase a graded 70 coin in either MS or PR. I realize I could readily buy a SEGS slabbed something or another, but I am talking about a real 70. I would very much like to own a slabbed PCGS or NGC 70 of any denomination.
If you were to recommend an affordable high pop 70 coin what would you recommend? By affordable I mean any 70 coin that you think is a high enough pop (not gold) that can be had for as low a price as possible, denomination is not really a concern. I am of the mindset that 69 to 70 is so hard to tell that it is in a way a waste to pay a premium for something that "happens" to get that magical 70, having said that I would like to have one just to have one in my collection so I can say I have a "perfect" coin.
I am thinking that it will be almost impossible to find an affordable 70 MS so I am guessing a PR example of something?? Also, how many of you also have no 70s in your collection?
If you were to recommend an affordable high pop 70 coin what would you recommend? By affordable I mean any 70 coin that you think is a high enough pop (not gold) that can be had for as low a price as possible, denomination is not really a concern. I am of the mindset that 69 to 70 is so hard to tell that it is in a way a waste to pay a premium for something that "happens" to get that magical 70, having said that I would like to have one just to have one in my collection so I can say I have a "perfect" coin.
I am thinking that it will be almost impossible to find an affordable 70 MS so I am guessing a PR example of something?? Also, how many of you also have no 70s in your collection?
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I didn't get it by intention - simply a submission return on a box of 10 3 coin sets.
In the series I really collect, XX70 coins are really not a part of the available population.I doubt if I will acquire any more intentionally.
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To me they are all perfect.
If you are asking for a 70 in plastic, don't believe that exists.
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<< <i>As a modest collector of modest means I collect what I can when I can afford it. I have yet to acquire through submission or purchase a graded 70 coin in either MS or PR. I realize I could readily buy a SEGS slabbed something or another, but I am talking about a real 70. I would very much like to own a slabbed PCGS or NGC 70 of any denomination.
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This part really bugs me. What makes you think that a PCGS or NGC 70 is any better than any other 70?
Seriously, grade the coin, not the holder, and just because PCGS or NGC says it's a 70 does not make it so.
I have perhaps one or two moderns from the mint that I cannot see a single issue with, would they be 70s? Perhaps, on the right day, when the wind blows in the right direction.
The vast majority of my collection is pre 1839 so nothing close to 70.
If you can't tell the difference between a 69 and a 70 (there is one) then
it would seem the 69 is plenty close enough to perfection for you. Why
spend money for a distinction you can't see?
It might be more profitable to you as a collector to buy some raw coins
and learn to spot the differences. It might prove profitable monetarily
as well.
<< <i>I don't have any 70s in my collection either and I don't lose any sleep over it. I agree that until I can see the difference between a 69 and a 70, I would just be paying for the label. >>
Again, not trying to debate the logic of it, I just want one and I was curious how many of us novice collectors actually had any.
<< <i>This part really bugs me. What makes you think that a PCGS or NGC 70 is any better than any other 70? >>
I used PCGS and NGC because I consider them the most reputable and well know graders, thats all.
<< <i>Seriously, grade the coin, not the holder, and just because PCGS or NGC says it's a 70 does not make it so. >>
I think you are reading to deep into my post. Many agree that just because PCGS or NGC says it's perfect doesn't necessarily make it so. I would say that they are the most well known third party graders. I have just always wanted a technically perfect coin just to have one and I was curious how many other "modest" collectors felt this way and how many have any. I am not trying to start any trouble, honest. I thought I was asking a legitimate question.
If I had to have a 70, i'd go with a PCGS MS-70 "ASE" silver eagle of some sort. The problem with these is that some can develop milk spots and become non-70 in the slab. This is something to beware of when buying, as the number on the slab does not release you from the responsibility of examining the coin yourself. It's a good reason to keep it as cheap as possible, as '70' coins have been known to turn in the holder; they have nowhere to go but down in a sense.
I don't think I know of a cheaper way to get a '70'. And, at 40mm, ASEs are large pretty coins, too.
I don't think I have a '70' numerically graded coin myself. If I were to submit some of my mint stuff, perhaps I could get one? I like the mint packaging better than the number 70.
<< <i>I don't got one. I'd rather have a 69 for a fraction of the price. >>
Those who collect 70s appreciate those who collect 69s because without buyers for 69s, 70s would be much more expensive. --Jerry
<< <i>As a modest collector of modest means I collect what I can when I can afford it. I have yet to acquire through submission or purchase a graded 70 coin in either MS or PR. I realize I could readily buy a SEGS slabbed something or another, but I am talking about a real 70. I would very much like to own a slabbed PCGS or NGC 70 of any denomination............ Rob85635 >>
Why are you slamming SEGS?
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<< <i>This part really bugs me. What makes you think that a PCGS or NGC 70 is any better than any other 70? >>
I used PCGS and NGC because I consider them the most reputable and well know graders, thats all.
<< <i>Seriously, grade the coin, not the holder, and just because PCGS or NGC says it's a 70 does not make it so. >>
I think you are reading to deep into my post. Many agree that just because PCGS or NGC says it's perfect doesn't necessarily make it so. I would say that they are the most well known third party graders. I have just always wanted a technically perfect coin just to have one and I was curious how many other "modest" collectors felt this way and how many have any. I am not trying to start any trouble, honest. I thought I was asking a legitimate question. >>
Your question is perfectly legitimate.
My point is that you should be able to tell that a coin is "perfect" without having someone tell you that.
In terms of "modest" collectors, it is very easy to get a "70" coin from PCGS or NGC. You could get one for a few hundred dollars from either service. Much less expensive to do that than to get a nice AU58 or higher grade Capped Bust Half.
As for me, I don't have any "70" coins, but to me, almost all of the coins I own for my collection are "perfect".
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<< <i>Why are you slamming SEGS? >>
Ack, you completely correct. It was not my intent to slam SEGS, I should have gone to Ebay and found the SGS that another poster mentioned. To SEGS and all their fine employees I apologize. I should have said I could obtain a 70 from a never heard of slabber rather than naming one.
<< <i>As a modest collector of modest means I collect what I can when I can afford it. I have yet to acquire through submission or purchase a graded 70 coin in either MS or PR. I realize I could readily buy a SEGS slabbed something or another, but I am talking about a real 70. I would very much like to own a slabbed PCGS or NGC 70 of any denomination.
If you were to recommend an affordable high pop 70 coin what would you recommend? By affordable I mean any 70 coin that you think is a high enough pop (not gold) that can be had for as low a price as possible, denomination is not really a concern. I am of the mindset that 69 to 70 is so hard to tell that it is in a way a waste to pay a premium for something that "happens" to get that magical 70, having said that I would like to have one just to have one in my collection so I can say I have a "perfect" coin.
I am thinking that it will be almost impossible to find an affordable 70 MS so I am guessing a PR example of something?? Also, how many of you also have no 70s in your collection? >>
save your $$$
there simply is no such thing as a "perfect coin", & anything given a "70" is a bogus grade
K S
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<< <i>I don't have any 70s in my collection either and I don't lose any sleep over it. I agree that until I can see the difference between a 69 and a 70, I would just be paying for the label. >>
Again, not trying to debate the logic of it, I just want one and I was curious how many of us novice collectors actually had any. >>
ok, to answer the question a different way, NOBODY owns a "perfect" coin. since they do'nt exist!
but you said you really wanna label so my guess is you can find alot of stuff < $100 out there.
K S
<< <i>Do not confuse SEGS (the strongest holders in existence)...a decent company
with SGS (steve's gift shop)...easy garbage 70s on eBay >>
Be very careful disparaging any acronymic entity here, regradless of any obvious issues, unless you can prove assertions and, even so, are willing to endure a long and costly legal entanglement. We have folks on here who still have scars from a notorious one.
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but you said you really wanna label so my guess is you can find alot of stuff < $100 out there.>>
So no coin is perfect? At all ever? I agree a MS coin is probably never a true 70, but a proof I could see making the grade.
SO if a coin is struck as is intended, and there is no flaw, its not perfect?
I have no intention of keeping them or collecting them since my focus is elsewhere at this time.
<< <i><<ok, to answer the question a different way, NOBODY owns a "perfect" coin. since they do'nt exist!
but you said you really wanna label so my guess is you can find alot of stuff < $100 out there.>>
So no coin is perfect? At all ever? I agree a MS coin is probably never a true 70, but a proof I could see making the grade.
SO if a coin is struck as is intended, and there is no flaw, its not perfect? >>
i unconditionally guarantee that under a glass of useful power, you will find that NO 70 IS PERFECT, not even close, & that includes proof coins
also, i would venture to say that no coin is truly "struck as intended", rather they are are struck "CLOSE ENOUGH to as intended"
K S
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<< <i>Many agree that just because PCGS or NGC says it's perfect doesn't necessarily make it so. >>
True with the minor exception that it makes it "MORE SO" than if I were to slab my own coins as MS/PR70's. Or worse yet, SGS or USCG or any other number of grading companies which dole out MS/PR70 coins because THEY THINK THE COIN is perfect.
I am in no way slamming those other grading services but a PCGS MS/PR70 will fetch more money than its NGC counterpart and NGC will fetch WAY more money than the other grading service counterparts.
That is a simple reality.
Now the OP would like to have either an PCGS or NGC MS70 or PR70 and I see nothing wrong with that in today;s current environment.
My opinion is that a Silver Eagle would probably be the cheapest route although I'm sure that there may be other inexpensive PR70 coins out there.
Here's a 2001-S PCGS PR70 DCAM Jefferson Nickel for less than $100 with free shipping!
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You'll find a ton of PCGS or NGC coins for very reasonable prices.
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I have a few dozen PCGS 70's, and like them. Buy an ASE in PCGS 70 FS...jmo
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<< <i>As a modest collector of modest means I collect what I can when I can afford it. I have yet to acquire through submission or purchase a graded 70 coin in either MS or PR. I realize I could readily buy a SEGS slabbed something or another, but I am talking about a real 70. I would very much like to own a slabbed PCGS or NGC 70 of any denomination.
If you were to recommend an affordable high pop 70 coin what would you recommend? By affordable I mean any 70 coin that you think is a high enough pop (not gold) that can be had for as low a price as possible, denomination is not really a concern. I am of the mindset that 69 to 70 is so hard to tell that it is in a way a waste to pay a premium for something that "happens" to get that magical 70, having said that I would like to have one just to have one in my collection so I can say I have a "perfect" coin.
I am thinking that it will be almost impossible to find an affordable 70 MS so I am guessing a PR example of something?? Also, how many of you also have no 70s in your collection? >>
save your $$$
there simply is no such thing as a "perfect coin", & anything given a "70" is a bogus grade
K S >>
Karl,
Show me where the word "perfect" is used in the definition of a 70 grade? You'll only find 70 referred to as "perfect" by bashers and occasionally by dealers selling them. The latter is hype and I may have even been guilty of it myself a time or two. But I would never try to defend a 70 as perfect. PCGS defines it as no visible flaws under 5x. The other grading companies are not nearly so strict and I would not put much faith in their 70s. --Jerry
Show me where the word "perfect" is used in the definition of a 70 grade? You'll only find 70 referred to as "perfect" by bashers and occasionally by dealers selling them. The latter is hype and I may have even been guilty of it myself a time or two. But I would never try to defend a 70 as perfect. PCGS defines it as no visible flaws under 5x. The other grading companies are not nearly so strict and I would not put much faith in their 70s. --Jerry "
When a "grading scale" is used, should not the "Top" of the scale represent the ultimate? The grading services indeed use the "70" as a way to get more submissions. From the definition, it is certainly possible to have a "70" that is better than another "70", which is better than another "70",.......and on, and on.
It usually makes people angry, but the fact is that there are coins graded "69", that are nicer than coins graded "70", and this is in both NGC and PCGS.
In my humble opinion, I totally agree with Karl. The difference between "69" and "70" is EXTREMELY slight at best, non-existant at worst. I believe the whole "70" thing will fade away with time. It is a fabricated grade, created by the ego driven Modern Registry. Just my opinion, which isn't worth much...
<< <i>Karl,
Show me where the word "perfect" is used in the definition of a 70 grade? You'll only find 70 referred to as "perfect" by bashers and occasionally by dealers selling them. The latter is hype and I may have even been guilty of it myself a time or two. But I would never try to defend a 70 as perfect. PCGS defines it as no visible flaws under 5x. The other grading companies are not nearly so strict and I would not put much faith in their 70s. --Jerry >>
would your own pcgs website suffice?
here ya go, written in 1994 by admittedly 1 of my very least favorite authors
couple choice quotes:
<< <i>How much is a perfect coin worth? The answer, like the coin, is only theoretical at this point, because the grade of 70 -- the badge of utter perfection -- has never been awarded to a pre-modern U.S. coin by either of the two leading coin- grading services, the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) and the Numismatic Guaranty Corporation of America (NGC). >>
<< <i>Mark Salzberg, NGC's president, has said that in his opinion, 70 "is a theoretical grade." "No matter how amazing a particular coin might be, you would always have to allow for the chance that there might be a better piece," Salzberg said. >>
K S
<< <i>Karl,
Show me where the word "perfect" is used in the definition of a 70 grade? You'll only find 70 referred to as "perfect" by bashers and occasionally by dealers selling them. The latter is hype and I may have even been guilty of it myself a time or two. But I would never try to defend a 70 as perfect. PCGS defines it as no visible flaws under 5x. The other grading companies are not nearly so strict and I would not put much faith in their 70s. --Jerry >>
would your own pcgs website suffice? >>
here's more, again on your own pcgs website. gotta be the most infamous "ms-70" coin in history, in a pcgs slab
K S
Such grades don't exist in the series that interest me.
However, the other grading standards DO refer to Minor and Miniscule IMPERFECTIONS leading one to believe that an MS70 or PR70 would be "without" minor or miniscule imPERFECTions!
Ref:
MS/PR-66 Few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, good strike
MS/PR-67 Virtually as struck with minor imperfections, very well struck
MS/PR-68 Virtually as struck with slight imperfections, slightest weakness of strike allowed
MS/PR-69 Virtually as struck with minuscule imperfections, near full strike necessary
Given the wording of the grading standards themselves, what other conslusion could be drawn for an MS/PR70 other than perfect?
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