Are these packs legit
Arsenal83
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I came across this e-bayer tonight - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/waxgold. For any of you pack experts, do these look legit? Just seems too good to be legit.
Brian
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
brian
And once again the Scammer POS goes to work. It still amazes me the number of Dipwads that buy from this A$$Wipe.
Calling all honest posters here, isn't it time to have some Fun and do our Duty!!!!!!!
I'l start with a bunch of Bids and E-Mails. First going to E-Bay just because, even though I know it doesn't do diddly.
Neil
<< <i>how does this guy still have 100% feedback? >>
Changes IDs a couple times a year.
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<< <i>how does this guy still have 100% feedback? >>
Changes IDs a couple times a year. >>
Still 550+ will no one suggesting they got bad packs... that's a lot of people duped out of money and not knowing it! I wonder if any of these packs have been graded or attempted to be...
I'm not saying that all raw packs from the 60s and earlier are bad, as there are a few packs that come around for sale once in a while that are legit. But, IMO, if someone is selling packs like these on eBay, they have to know something about the unopened market ... and in this case I think the seller knows they are resealed!!!!!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>Even if the seller were unknown, ANYONE who would have that many packs, IF THEY WERE LEGIT, would know that graded packs would sell for MUCH MORE than raw packs and would get them graded before offering them for sale.
I'm not saying that all raw packs from the 60s and earlier are bad, as there are a few packs that come around for sale once in a while that are legit. But, IMO, if someone is selling packs like these on eBay, they have to know something about the unopened market ... and in this case I think the seller knows they are resealed!!!!! >>
I agree 100% - just don't get why people keep buying the packs!!! Maybe some people don't care and just add the old packs to their collections. But still over 550 transactions and no one says anything about bad packs.
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<< <i>Even if the seller were unknown, ANYONE who would have that many packs, IF THEY WERE LEGIT, would know that graded packs would sell for MUCH MORE than raw packs and would get them graded before offering them for sale.
I'm not saying that all raw packs from the 60s and earlier are bad, as there are a few packs that come around for sale once in a while that are legit. But, IMO, if someone is selling packs like these on eBay, they have to know something about the unopened market ... and in this case I think the seller knows they are resealed!!!!! >>
I agree 100% - just don't get why people keep buying the packs!!! Maybe some people don't care and just add the old packs to their collections. But still over 550 transactions and no one says anything about bad packs.
It's not hard to get conned on these vintage unopened packs. As much as I know about card fakes, etc, and I've handled many, many thousands of vintage cards, until I read posts from Grote15 and others here, I didn't really understand unopened packs and still have a lot to learn.
PS: Grote15 and others here have saved me many thousands of dollars in garbage I may have bought from these unopened pack scammers on ebay. That Grote15 is a heck of a guy...I PM'd him and offered to PayPal him a thousand bucks to show my appreciation for sharing his knowledge, and he PM'd me back and said no need to send any money, that it was simply his pleasure for doing that.
<< <i> That Grote15 is a heck of a guy... >>
Yes he is Steve . However, you should see all the stuff he says about you and Phillies in our pm's over and over and over again.
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TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>I especially love the 33, 34 goudey packs and the 35 batter up pack. Who is this guy trying to fool? I sure hope that someone doesn't get screwed too bad on these. >>
did the rapping looking anything like this back in the 30's???
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
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<< <i>I especially love the 33, 34 goudey packs and the 35 batter up pack. Who is this guy trying to fool? I sure hope that someone doesn't get screwed too bad on these. >>
did the rapping looking anything like this back in the 30's???
Iagree this guy is a crook, looks like the iron left burn marks on the lower corners but to answer your ? yep, check out the mid 30's packs in the latest Robert Edward's auctions:
unopened sky bird pack
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
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<< <i>I especially love the 33, 34 goudey packs and the 35 batter up pack. Who is this guy trying to fool? I sure hope that someone doesn't get screwed too bad on these. >>
did the rapping looking anything like this back in the 30's???
Iagree this guy is a crook, looks like the iron left burn marks on the lower corners but to answer your ? yep, check out the mid 30's packs in the latest Robert Edward's auctions:
unopened sky bird pack >>
the rapping does look much better on the auction house packs...
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<< <i> That Grote15 is a heck of a guy... >>
Yes he is Steve . However, you should see all the stuff he says about you and Phillies in our pm's over and over and over again.
In that case I take everything back, including a higher offer of two thousand bucks I was gonna make.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Donato
Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set
Successful transactions: Shrub68 (Jim), MWallace (Mike)
No. The prices these "unopened" packs are realizing far exceed the value of those items. Conversely, though, the prices of wrappers and empty boxes on ebay are at an all-time high of late, as these pack factories will pay top dollar because of the profit they will make on the resealed packs.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>When it comes to warning a fellow collector about scammers like these, I make an exception to my general rule about helping out those good-for-nothin' Philly fans...
It's good-for-nothin' 2008 World Series Champion Philly fans.
<< <i> Is it possible that some people bid on these knowing that they have been reopened but still find the value of the wrapper and the guaranteed cards inside still worth their bid? Just a thought.
No. The prices these "unopened" packs are realizing far exceed the value of those items. Conversely, though, the prices of wrappers and empty boxes on ebay are at an all-time high of late, as these pack factories will pay top dollar because of the profit they will make on the resealed packs. >>
I gotta take a good guess that probably close to 99 out of a 100 folks buying these scam packs are busting them, and just figuring they crapped out that they got lousy cards, not realizing that the dice were rigged before the roll.
<< <i>it takes a lot of stones to put up those 30's packs. with the more common stuff you can somewhat get people to believe you but when you pull up 30's packs and 52 pennies and every other pack that not even the most experienced dealers have seen in 20,30,40 years all at once , you are pretty much saying you are a crook and that the collecting community is a bunch of fools. unfortunately he will keep getting away with it until he burns the wrong person and then maybe something will get done >>
that's a good point - i was thinking more in line with the 60's packs which is my area of unopened pack interest.
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Most of the current listings will be removed, if they are reported
for "banned or inappropriate" payment method.
ALL of the seller's IDs should be reported to EBAY.
Additionally, he should be reported to
www.ic3.gov
The FBI looks at those filings in bulk. If they get enough complaints,
they will go after some sports-memorabilia crooks.
<< <i>"I do like how he does not except (sic) paypal as a form of payment. That should be enough to get those auctions kicked temporarily. ."
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Most of the current listings will be removed, if they are reported
for "banned or inappropriate" payment method.
ALL of the seller's IDs should be reported to EBAY.
Additionally, he should be reported to
www.ic3.gov
The FBI looks at those filings in bulk. If they get enough complaints,
they will go after some sports-memorabilia crooks. >>
So Come On Guy's,
Lets do this, take a moment out of your day and send an E-Mail to Stones site and lets stay on top of these POS's. And send one to E-bay as well and report for Payment method and send a seperate one for Fraud. I know we Scream and moan on here about these AWipes, and how E-bay does nothing, I guarantee E-Bay will do nothing if Nothing is said by Us!!! Put your money where your whine is and DO SOMETHING!! I Have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoever knows how to follow the trail back to the other E-Bay ID"s where they are buying the Wrappers, could you do your magic and I'll report that as well with reference to both ID's.
Thanks
Neil
<< <i>In that case I take everything back, including a higher offer of two thousand bucks I was gonna make. >>
Grote15 says "Tabe is a great guy, give him the money instead."
I swear, he really did say that. At least that's what *I* heard!
Tabe
<< <i>wow , $8000 reserves on fake packs. looks like he is going for the gusto!! >>
I think in his mind, he's blowing a "smokescreen" of sorts, to make his other packs look more legit and valuable.
The revised language in some of the listings is still a violation:
"... and except paypal as well as other forms of payment useing snail mail...."
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Some of the backgrounds on the current scans appear to be
the same as those used by a scammer previously identified
here.
And of course give this POS a big fat neg with a link to the Youtube video. Ha!
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That link does not include store items.
Click on completed listings to find the biggest buyers.
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EBAY has closed the back door and it is no longer easy to
find buyers' IDs. (That door was closed in early April.)
FB totals are now the "easiest" way to track buyers.
Once you have a buyer's ID, you can use the "find member"
feature to tie his location to a suspicious seller.
This method is FAR from foolproof.
EBAY is really the only entity that has the power to stop the
fraud, but they profit BIG from crime and have no interest
in stopping it.