1887 Morgan on ebay.......does this look enhanced?

SUMORADA

Does this look touched up / wiped ?

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blu62vette

If the pic isn't touched up the coin is. I dont like the lines across the cheek but do like the clash marks....

Barndog

Betty Crocker could have done a better job adding the frosting

garsmith

<< <i>Does this look touched up / wiped ?

Link >>




YES

Coxe

The fields look like normal die erosion, not tooling, to me. The wipes lines on Liberty kill it though. That date is too common and it is not a rare VAM. I would pass it by myself.

commoncents05

I think BarnDog nailed it. Artificial frosting, you can see where they "colored outside the lines".

-Paul

bestclser1

<< <i>Betty Crocker could have done a better job adding the frosting >>

And the cake would be better than the coin.

BigJohnD

The pitting in the light looks like a nice buff job.

BlindedByEgo

Yes.

vplite

If not enhanced, a steal for $55.55.

If enhanced, as it appears, not such a good deal.

coinkid855

It's clearly artificially frosted.



-Paul

jessewvu

two stars to the right of the date, the frosted flakes are coming off

boucharda

Looks unreal...it's been worked on

dragon

Coins like that used to be a dime a dozen in the 70's and 80's and they were sometimes referred to as 'California proofs'. It was sometimes done by simply buffing out the entire coin on a wheel and then applying artificial frost to the devices so the coin had the appearance of a deep mirror cameo prooflike or proof coin. That 1887 is a poor amateur job and easily spotted at first glance, however some were actually done quite well and were very deceptive to the naked eye and fooled quite a few people in the day.

BigJohnD

I believe dragon is right on, and as this is a place to learn I think that this coin will be a great example of what a buffed morgan looks like. At about 3-4 o'clock on the obverse you see small pitting in the light, and when you see this type of pitting its time to walk away. JMHO.

BlindedByEgo

<< <i>Coins like that used to be a dime a dozen in the 70's and 80's and they were sometimes referred to as 'California proofs'. It was sometimes done by simply buffing out the entire coin on a wheel and then applying artificial frost to the devices so the coin had the appearance of a deep mirror cameo prooflike or proof coin. That 1887 is a poor amateur job and easily spotted at first glance, however some were actually done quite well and were very deceptive to the naked eye and fooled quite a few people in the day. >>



Great post, and spot on. I remember a dealer friend (friend now, this was years ago and I was just a punk kid collector) showing me a similar but considerably more deceptive example of the OP coin... He called it a "Caplifornia Proof" and actually knew the guy who had made a number of them.

Some of them are really quite good.

HighRelief

I have come across some of those "California Proofs" in Anacs and NGC slabs.

Wolf359

It's back up and the new seller is in denial.

blu62vette

I saw about 7 of these at a show recently. I think this guy is using the pics from the prior auction also. It looks just horrible.

Swampboy

This listing (170322021657) has been removed, or this item is not available.


Anyone save an image?

Wolf359

<< <i>This listing (170322021657) has been removed, or this item is not available.


Anyone save an image? >>



320448715005 is the new item number. I posted the new link above.

blu62vette

seller says he is sure it is proof and added this:



<< <i> It has squared-edge identical and every detail and
hairline is sharp with no bagmarks. If it is a
"California Proof" it is has fooled a lot of
people. >>

Wolf359

Yeah, he's claiming it was in a PCGS Proof holder. Never. That coin wouldn't even fool an amateur.

blu62vette

Then he should get it back in the holder. No chance.

Wolf359

He requiring "proof" before he believes us.

cheezhed

I'd like "proof" of the PCGS holder.

cheezhed

Q: Has this coin been cleaned?

A: It may have been, which is why we are calling it
simply Proof (60). There are no distracting marks
nor hairlines and we back it up with a guarantee
returned privilege.
Thanks kindly,
Dale Lee

ponderit

A Barber from the same seller looks iffy

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NH484000

That's just TERRIBLE-- You can see the wipe marks all over the cheek.

Sad thing is, I'll bet some sucker will bid on it.