The fields look like normal die erosion, not tooling, to me. The wipes lines on Liberty kill it though. That date is too common and it is not a rare VAM. I would pass it by myself.
Coins like that used to be a dime a dozen in the 70's and 80's and they were sometimes referred to as 'California proofs'. It was sometimes done by simply buffing out the entire coin on a wheel and then applying artificial frost to the devices so the coin had the appearance of a deep mirror cameo prooflike or proof coin. That 1887 is a poor amateur job and easily spotted at first glance, however some were actually done quite well and were very deceptive to the naked eye and fooled quite a few people in the day.
I believe dragon is right on, and as this is a place to learn I think that this coin will be a great example of what a buffed morgan looks like. At about 3-4 o'clock on the obverse you see small pitting in the light, and when you see this type of pitting its time to walk away. JMHO.
<< <i>Coins like that used to be a dime a dozen in the 70's and 80's and they were sometimes referred to as 'California proofs'. It was sometimes done by simply buffing out the entire coin on a wheel and then applying artificial frost to the devices so the coin had the appearance of a deep mirror cameo prooflike or proof coin. That 1887 is a poor amateur job and easily spotted at first glance, however some were actually done quite well and were very deceptive to the naked eye and fooled quite a few people in the day. >>
Great post, and spot on. I remember a dealer friend (friend now, this was years ago and I was just a punk kid collector) showing me a similar but considerably more deceptive example of the OP coin... He called it a "Caplifornia Proof" and actually knew the guy who had made a number of them.
seller says he is sure it is proof and added this:
<< <i> It has squared-edge identical and every detail and hairline is sharp with no bagmarks. If it is a "California Proof" it is has fooled a lot of people. >>
A: It may have been, which is why we are calling it simply Proof (60). There are no distracting marks nor hairlines and we back it up with a guarantee returned privilege. Thanks kindly, Dale Lee
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<< <i>Does this look touched up / wiped ?
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<< <i>Betty Crocker could have done a better job adding the frosting >>
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If enhanced, as it appears, not such a good deal.
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<< <i>Coins like that used to be a dime a dozen in the 70's and 80's and they were sometimes referred to as 'California proofs'. It was sometimes done by simply buffing out the entire coin on a wheel and then applying artificial frost to the devices so the coin had the appearance of a deep mirror cameo prooflike or proof coin. That 1887 is a poor amateur job and easily spotted at first glance, however some were actually done quite well and were very deceptive to the naked eye and fooled quite a few people in the day. >>
Great post, and spot on. I remember a dealer friend (friend now, this was years ago and I was just a punk kid collector) showing me a similar but considerably more deceptive example of the OP coin... He called it a "Caplifornia Proof" and actually knew the guy who had made a number of them.
Some of them are really quite good.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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320448715005 is the new item number. I posted the new link above.
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<< <i> It has squared-edge identical and every detail and
hairline is sharp with no bagmarks. If it is a
"California Proof" it is has fooled a lot of
people. >>
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A: It may have been, which is why we are calling it
simply Proof (60). There are no distracting marks
nor hairlines and we back it up with a guarantee
returned privilege.
Thanks kindly,
Dale Lee
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Sad thing is, I'll bet some sucker will bid on it.