Don't be fooled by all the new guys around here
lsutigers1973
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Lot's of new people around here lately. Be aware of some of them that have ventured here from other forums. Only purpose of this thread is because someone is asking questions about buying/selling on the BST forum.
eBay thread
I use PWEs thread
Bonds' and Clemens' cards are awesome thread
I hate eBay FB system but leave every seller negatives thread
Another I hate eBay because I have no idea how to use it after 7 years thread
I sent a 1958 Topps Ted Williams in a PWE, why is the buyer mad thread
Plenty more but tired of reading them.
eBay thread
I use PWEs thread
Bonds' and Clemens' cards are awesome thread
I hate eBay FB system but leave every seller negatives thread
Another I hate eBay because I have no idea how to use it after 7 years thread
I sent a 1958 Topps Ted Williams in a PWE, why is the buyer mad thread
Plenty more but tired of reading them.
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Steve
mentioned 'questions' Unless of course I am missing something?
Steve
what an under bidder was?
Seller: mintacular( 648Feedback score is 500 to 999)
Feedback: 100 % Positive
Member: since Jun-18-01 in United States
Steve
Listen, no need to protest.
Steve
* The last person to drop out in an auction; the second-highest bidder
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/underbidder
* A player who generally bids less than what the values of his holdings contain.
homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/UGlossary/GlossU.html
<< <i>Definitions of underbidder on the Web:
* The last person to drop out in an auction; the second-highest bidder
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/underbidder
* A player who generally bids less than what the values of his holdings contain.
homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/UGlossary/GlossU.html >>
We play Bridge all the time here at the Home in NE Philly, so I already knew what the second definition was.
<< <i>I am waiting for a new posters "Trade my way to a Gretzky RC" thread. >>
I'm intellectually challenged and have been on Zoloth for God knows how long . I'm overjoyed with the hope and promise of late and know all things are possible.
I was just wondering if it were possible to start with a Hal King RC and trade my way to a Babe Ruth RC ? With all the hope renewed in this country of late , if it didn't work out in say 11 -1/2 months , should I assume that we still have cultural differences that suppressed my ambition ?
Any help would be appreciated , but please keep the negitive suggestions to my discression or else.
Thanks in advance for the positive comments ---- Out of touch
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
<< <i>Shakespeare once said, "none proclaim their innocence as much as the guilty." >>
Well put.
I've heard it said , "That even a fool is wiser than 7 experts , in his own eyes. "
"It is better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to opens one mouth and remove all doubt"
Make sure to add this POS to your blocked bidder list...unethical seller = unethical buyer.
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The only lost card resulted in refunding this buyer, which at the time, I simply questioned/asked about protection for sellers when an item is "lost". I now require insurance but at that time thought the policy should be revisited, especially since buyers are given the option of insurance and I used to state that buyer was responsible if insurance was not selected. As for the other quotation, I am not very fond of people who search for "hot packs" (I wouldn't even know how to do it) but I do believe the problem lies more with the manufacturer than the customer that looks for them so long as they are not peaking inside a sealed pack, etc. Lastly, I will occasionally send a low grade/low cost card in a PWE but I have a method of doing it to make sure it doesn't get further damaged. I have never had a customer return one of these PWE's due to damage during the shipping process.
Again, reasonable people can disagree on these issues--and that's great--but that doesn't make them a bad person. I don't mind having a bit of fun here and there, mixing in some jabs, etc. but I would like to generally stick on to topics related to card collecting. And please watch the name calling based on one member's personal issue with me. In two short days one member has attempted to trash my reputation, and for what? Give me a fair shake, and if I screw up, hold that against me but do not take one person's views as your own.
The buyers responsibility is to get payment to the seller. Period. The sellers responsibility is to get the item to the buyer. Doesn't matter if the buyer didn't pay for insurance, the insurance is there to protect the seller, since if the item doesn't get there the seller has to refund the purchase price. The seller should include whatever costs are necessary to get the item safely to the buyer, whether that is charging for shipping and insurance or including it in the price.
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<< <i>The buyers responsibility is to get payment to the seller. Period. >>
Excellent post. This in a nutshell is what started the new ebay feedback system. Once payment is in the sellers hands, the buyer has completed his responsibility to the transaction. Too many buyers were getting negs for doing what they were supposed to. I agree that the ebay system is a joke, but honestly, the sellers are mainly responsible for this issue, IMO. I sell and always left FB immediately, if someone negged me, then that was their choice and believe me, I had some real nitwits buy stuff.
As far as you okaying pack searching...well, I don't know what to tell you on that. That activity is pretty crappy, and for you to ok it speaks volumes about your character. Putting the blame on the card companies instead of making people take responsibility for cheating the system.
Steve
Buyers don't like to be forced into things just charge x amount for shipping and life will be much better for you - and as a side not order some bubble mailers in bulk!!!!! If I win an auction from you and it's sent in a PWE you will no longer have 100% feedback!
<< <i>Mintacular is your name Brian by any chance? >>
I was wondering the same thing.
<< <i>Give me a fair shake, and if I screw up, hold that against me but do not take one person's views as your own. >>
After reading the linked threads from the ebay forums, I don't need another person's views. Welcome to my BBL.
I've pretty much moved away from the PWEs, in fact really haven't used ones for months, although from a collector's standpoint I'm not theoretically opposed to the idea as long as the card arrives in the condition I bought it in. (Personally, don't care if it's in a cute bubble mailer--just my personal bias I guess...)
When I first began selling, I would occasionally sell a few random 50's singles that would go for .99 and I just figured if I can get them the card in the stated condition with a PWE, why not? And I never was confronted with a complaint/claim of damage. Also, because I was selling $1-$2 commons, if I sent the cards in a bubble mailer it was going to cost me $1.50-$2.00 to ship it and who wants to buy a $1 card and pay $2 for shipping?? So I had a low shipping charge but as a result needed to send them in PWE's to not lose $. Lastly, I was working full time as a teacher and could easily drop the PWEs in my mailbox that night and get the cards to them faster rather than drive down to the post office, etc.
That was my thinking at the time, right now it's a moot point because I generally make sure that I stick .99 cent together in larger lots so I don't get cherry-picked.
Really? Even if you receive the card and it's in perfect condition? I happen to send everything in padded envelopes myself but if I win a card from someone else I only care that the card I received is ok. If the seller wants to gamble with PWE that's his choice but I certainly wouldn't neg the guy about it.
why don't we do an experiment? You send me a 52 topps mantle in a PWE and I'll let you know if its in good enough shape for me. ok? thanks
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Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>If I win an auction from you and it's sent in a PWE you will no longer have 100% feedback!
Really? Even if you receive the card and it's in perfect condition? I happen to send everything in padded envelopes myself but if I win a card from someone else I only care that the card I received is ok. If the seller wants to gamble with PWE that's his choice but I certainly wouldn't neg the guy about it. >>
Yes if the seller is charging me $2+ in shipping and then just using a PWE I will probably Neg the seller.
That seems like simplistic thinking.
Let's assume you get the card in perfect shape either way.
From the seller's perspective let's say postage is 42 cents plus 8 cents for the envelope. So the seller who charges you $2.00 makes a $1.50 profit.
Another seller uses a padded envelope (bought in bulk for 25 cents) and let's say, for simple math, 75 cents postage. He charges $3.00 (or $4.00 for some sellers) postage so makes a $2.00 profit.
However, you are going to neg the first guy because he charged you $2 in ship in a PWE but you won't neg the second guy even though he made more money off his postage and handling charge!?
Come on now. Does that really add up to you? Either way, YOU GOT YOUR CARD IN PERFECT CONDITION. Why neg a guy!? Makes no sense to me.
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There is a lot of logical merit to that conclusion.
But, it's not that simple.
In the "view" of the OP - and thousands of other poorly informed EBAY sellers -
the risk of loss/damage has passed to the buyer when the PWE hits the outgoing
mailbox.
Thus, such sellers are willfully placing the buyer at theoretical risk of loss. The fact
that no such risk exists does not mitigate the thoughtless/bad conduct of the seller.
Further, buyers spend money to actually get their item. It is not just a matter of
PayPal relieving the buyer of financial risk; the item is, obviously, more important
to the buyer than is the money he paid for the item. A PWE risks loss/damage of
that item.
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Buyers - not sellers - pay for ALL costs of every transaction that goes down on EBAY.
Responsible sellers simply need to allocate the buyer's payment properly to help
assure that the purchased item is safely delivered.
Buyers who have any doubt that their seller might not use a proper packing method
should not be shy about requesting upon payment that their cards NOT be shipped
in a PWE.
Sellers of cards need to use some common sense and understand that a PWE is NEVER
an appropriate package for a fragile card.
While I generally think NEGs should be reserved for corrupt folks, I understand why
some buyers also NEG stupid and careless sellers.
Reckless or inattentive driving is not excused simply because no accident happens.
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Special Remider To Buyers:
If the carrier's DC/SC shows your item was "delivered," you will lose a PayPal INR-claim.
If your item was insured, you can recover your loss from the carrier, EVEN though the
DC/SC shows delivery. This means that under such a circumstance, it is in the buyer's
interest to insure his purchases, EVEN if he has to pay extra to do so.
<< <i>"That seems like simplistic thinking..........YOU GOT YOUR CARD IN PERFECT CONDITION. Why neg a guy!? Makes no sense to me."
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There is a lot of logical merit to that conclusion.
But, it's not that simple.
In the "view" of the OP - and thousands of other poorly informed EBAY sellers -
the risk of loss/damage has passed to the buyer when the PWE hits the outgoing
mailbox.
Thus, such sellers are willfully placing the buyer at theoretical risk of loss. The fact
that no such risk exists does not mitigate the thoughtless/bad conduct of the seller.
Further, buyers spend money to actually get their item. It is not just a matter of
PayPal relieving the buyer of financial risk; the item is, obviously, more important
to the buyer than is the money he paid for the item. A PWE risks loss/damage of
that item.
........
Buyers - not sellers - pay for ALL costs of every transaction that goes down on EBAY.
Responsible sellers simply need to allocate the buyer's payment properly to help
assure that the purchased item is safely delivered.
Buyers who have any doubt that their seller might not use a proper packing method
should not be shy about requesting upon payment that their cards NOT be shipped
in a PWE.
Sellers of cards need to use some common sense and understand that a PWE is NEVER
an appropriate package for a fragile card.
While I generally think NEGs should be reserved for corrupt folks, I understand why
some buyers also NEG stupid and careless sellers.
Reckless or inattentive driving is not excused simply because no accident happens.
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Special Remider To Buyers:
If the carrier's DC/SC shows your item was "delivered," you will lose a PayPal INR-claim.
If your item was insured, you can recover your loss from the carrier, EVEN though the
DC/SC shows delivery. This means that under such a circumstance, it is in the buyer's
interest to insure his purchases, EVEN if he has to pay extra to do so. >>
Once again Storm is the voice of reason....
<< <i>
Once again Storm is the voice of reason.... >>
C'mon, you know Storm is just some bloodthirsty shut-in
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Another seller uses a padded envelope (bought in bulk for 25 cents) and let's say, for simple math, 75 cents postage.
What padded envelope are you sending that costs only 75 cents to mail?
Lowest I've seen is 1.51
Steve
If the carrier's DC/SC shows your item was "delivered," you will lose a PayPal INR-claim.
If your item was insured, you can recover your loss from the carrier, EVEN though the
DC/SC shows delivery. This means that under such a circumstance, it is in the buyer's
interest to insure his purchases, EVEN if he has to pay extra to do so.
Storm is it then possible to win with a SNAD complaint?
Steve
<< <i>Special Remider To Buyers:
If the carrier's DC/SC shows your item was "delivered," you will lose a PayPal INR-claim.
If your item was insured, you can recover your loss from the carrier, EVEN though the
DC/SC shows delivery. This means that under such a circumstance, it is in the buyer's
interest to insure his purchases, EVEN if he has to pay extra to do so.
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Storm is it then possible to win with a SNAD complaint?
Steve >>
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You could file a fake SNAD, but PP would require a return of the merch to the seller.
Thus, you would have to send an "empty envelope" back to the seller.
Pretty risky, if you did it to the wrong seller.
I did not buy a broken item. I file a SNAD and send back the broken item.
The seller offered insurance as an option, I paid via paypal.
Steve
<< <i>Not what I meant, I buy an item it comes broken. Seller had DC.
I did not buy a broken item. I file a SNAD and send back the broken item.
The seller offered insurance as an option, I paid via paypal.
Steve >>
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I see.
Sure.
The direct-funding of insurance by the buyer only benefits the buyer in the event
the item is LOST via DC/SC-delivery to the wrong place.
If the item arrives broken, it is SNAD; under the PayPal scheme.
it had a DC.
Gotcha.
Steve
<< <i>ahhh I see now what you meant, it gets delivered to the wrong place but
it had a DC.
Gotcha.
Steve >>
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Fortunately, the carriers KNOW that DC/SC is not an absolute
proof that the intended recipient got the item.
An insurance claim will be paid after the circumstances are "investigated."