1825 bust quarter thread. Extra points for posting a B-1!

Billet7

PCGS F12, B-3, Terrible pics, I will have to reshoot soon.



NGC VF20, B-2 (I sold this one recently to a member of the forum.)

commoncents123

Sam123

B-2 ?

Billet7

Yup Sam, B-2, and a fantastic one!

Eagleguy

B-3


JH

dorkkarl

wow i'm impressed! these all look like nice coins so far based on the digi-pics

K S

Sam123

Thanks Billet, the coin looks better in hand than the pictures show.

Sam

Billet7

What happened to Quarternut? I'm sure he has all three...plus an "L" counterstamp all in AU.

rhedden

I have all three die marriages, but took pictures of none of them. My B-1 is a cleaned but decent-looking G-VG. Better get my camera out and finish photographing my Bust quarters.

doh

Here's a B-1!! Wait...nope, it's just a mislabeled holder. Remember, buy the coin, not the holder...

Linky

Billet7

<< <i>Here's a B-1!! Wait...nope, it's just a mislabeled holder. Remember, buy the coin, not the holder...

Linky >>



If it wasn't a mechanical error....I would be "all over that like a pack of wolves on a three legged bunny!" Pardon the expression.

Quarternut

<< <i>Here's a B-1!! Wait...nope, it's just a mislabeled holder. Remember, buy the coin, not the holder... >>



Yeah, the 1825 B-1 seems to get mis-attributed quite a bit. It sure seems easy to tell the difference to me...but what do I know...

I must have missed this thread back in April...I will post a few 1825's when I get home...don't have the pics on my computer at work.

QN

rhedden

Got my camera out and finished photographing my Bust quarters. It just took 8 months to get around to it. My 1825 quarters suck for grade, but at least I have all 3 die marriages.

Quarternut

Ron, the great thing is that you can easily upgrade the B-2, as it is the most common 1825 die marriage, found in all grades. A nice AU of the B-3 will be difficult, but an EF should be doable too.

As to the B-1, it looks like a nice no problem example that frankly will be difficult (and expensive!) to upgrade. I would just enjoy it for what it is, rare!

QN

Baley

Can play a coin in the game, this one a B-3. Haven't looked at this picture in a while, will be as surprised as you as to how nice/not nice it is, as I honestly don't remember..

HoledandCreative

I don't know the Browning numbers.

Quarternut

I don't know the Browning numbers.

They are both B-2's

QN

P.S. I will be putting together a post in the morning (West Coast time) of all of the 1825's...stay tuned!

Quarternut

All right...here we go, enjoy! (sorry the pics are so big!)

1825 B-1 EDS


1825 B-1 LDS (chipping of the die has caused the top of the 5 in the date to fill in)


1825 B-2 LDS RETAINED CUD AT THE ARROWHEADS


1825 B-3 EDS (Book Plate coin)


1825 B-3 LDS RETAINED CUD AT UNITED (not yet shifted)


1825 B-3 LDS RETAINED CUD AT UNITED (now shifted)


And the same die stage with more wear...


1825 B-2 With "L" Countermark


1825 B-2 With "E" Countermark


1825/2 B-1 (actually 5/4/2)


1825/3 B-2 (actually 5/4/2)


1825/4 B-3 (actually 5/4/2)


QN

partagas

Wow excellent coins, if I ever finish seated I am going to start busties. Love all the coins, and the cool counter marked ones especially.

Quarternut

for the evening crowd!

doh

Awesome coins, QN (as usual). I have to wait to post pics of my B-1 and B-2 until Becoka photographs them. I'll be bumping this thread again in a few days

DIMEMAN

How do you tell the 1, 2 and 3? I kinda compared looking at things different that are used in dimes and I saw nothing.

Just curious since I may start the bust quarters and halves when the Complete Bust coin set comes out, which should be soon.

Jon

Billet7

<< <i>How do you tell the 1, 2 and 3? I kinda compared looking at things different that are used in dimes and I saw nothing.

Just curious since I may start the bust quarters and halves when the Complete Bust coin set comes out, which should be soon.

Jon >>



Easiest pickup points are, Star number 8, if it's high on the cap...then it's a B-1, if not then it's one of the other two. The reverse on the B-2 has the 25 high, and the B-3 had it lower near the reeding. B-2 and B-3 have the same obverse.

Quarternut

<< <i>How do you tell the 1, 2 and 3? I kinda compared looking at things different that are used in dimes and I saw nothing.

Just curious since I may start the bust quarters and halves when the Complete Bust coin set comes out, which should be soon.

Jon >>



There are only two different obverse dies and three reverse dies used in creating the three known die marriages found in 1825. The B-2 and B-3 have the same obverse die used. The short and easy way to tell the three die marriages apart are as follows:

B-1 -- On the obverse, look at the lowest right hand star (star-13 counting clockwise from the lower left star). If it points below the curls then it is not a B-1. Only the B-1 obverse has Star-13 pointing to the back of the curls. Also, look at the 5 in the date. If it is completely under the curl then it is a B-1. If Star-8 (the upper right hand star) points high on the back of Liberty's cap then it is a B-1.

On the reverse, look for a die line that extends from the bottom of the lowest arrowhead back towards the eagle.

B-2 & B-3 -- On the reverse, the easiest way to tell the B-2 & B-3 dies apart is to look at the scroll. If the I in PLURIBUS is centered under the second T in STATES, it is a B-2. If it is centered between the A & T in STATES, it is a B-3. But what if the coin is lower grade and you can no longer see the letters on the scroll you say? Well, then look at the denomination. On the B-2 die marriage; the denomination is closer to the eagle than the rim. On the B-3, it is closer to the rim than the eagle. The best place to see the difference is the space between the C and the olive branch.


QN

DIMEMAN

Thanks, I can see all three now. Easy to tell when you know what to look for.

Quarternut

<< <i>Thanks, I can see all three now. Easy to tell when you know what to look for. >>



No problem, just takes practice! (...and a good reference book)

QN

STONE

Some mo'

doh

I finally remembered to add my two 1825s. First the B-2...and then the tough B-1.

Baley

Here's a funky one



edit: don't have a pic handy of the reverse, is there any way to tell B2 or B3 from the obverse alone?

jom

<< <i>edit: don't have a pic handy of the reverse, is there any way to tell B2 or B3 from the obverse alone? >>



Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think they both have the same obverse.

Here is a PCGS 40 that got attributed on the slab as B2 but it's actually a B3.



jom

mozin

I have only one 1825 B-3, PCGS 45 CAC DS V, with a Rotated Die. My other 1825s are all B-2.

Baley

Here's a 1825 B-1