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Newp 1871 Japan 50 sen

tacynneptacynnep Posts: 126 ✭
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Got this one from the online auction. opinion please.... DD or MD and estimate grade?

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  • ASUtoddASUtodd Posts: 1,312 ✭✭
    Cleaned? Those hairlines go in more than one direction.... no idea on the DD or MD...
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Looks like MD to me.
    Becky
  • mudskippiemudskippie Posts: 540 ✭✭
    Nice dragon!



    << <i>Cleaned? Those hairlines go in more than one direction.... no idea on the DD or MD... >>



    Agreed!
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I don't know about MD or DD but I do get the impression that it has been cleaned. Even so, I like it.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Also, "Meiji."

  • StorkStork Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Am I having a brain fart? What do DD and MD stand for? I'm sure I'll have to post a image once someone tells me.

    Anyway, I think it looks cleaned too, which is not always a surprise with these. Sometimes that over-exposed-ish (lacking the proper terminology) appearance can hide the cleaning and I never trust that kind of picture. (A "Lesson-Learned" for me...). Not that I don't take the occasional risk, but I don't trust them image.

    I love those Japanese coins!


    Cathy

  • ASUtoddASUtodd Posts: 1,312 ✭✭
    It has to do with the type of double die on the coin... Someone else will probably have a better description but here it goes:
    MD = Mechanical Doubling...
    DD = Most collectors refer to all doubling as Double Die, in actuality Double Die is Hub Doubling.
    HEre is a great page that looks t Mechanical Doubling and explains it. http://www.bakercoins.net/learn/variety/mech/index.html
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Thank you for the link on DD and MDD. It is very, very useful.

    There are some funny bits though. For example:

    "Before we jump into the different classes, let me take a minute and related to some simple english grammer."

    And right after that:

    "This is the mother of all doubled dies. Chariest by everyone that has one, the 1955 P Lincoln cent, Die 1. An MS 64 Red recently sold for over $14,000."

    So much for "grammer" and spelling. image

    Honestly, however, this is the first explanation of MD and DD that I have really understood. Thanks again for the link.
  • tacynneptacynnep Posts: 126 ✭


    << <i>Also, "Meiji." >>

    Is it an error or variety? image Thank you for all the inputs. They wasn't the good images to judge the coin. The contrasts of the first image are too strong and the other are??? I will try to have it grade one day. Thanks again.
  • IloiloKanoIloiloKano Posts: 1,051


    << <i> I will try to have it grade one day. >>

    It will certainly come back as cleaned. This is extremely common (and frustrating) with the US Philippine coinage. I'd be willing to bet there is absolutely no cartwheel effect. Now just because it has been cleaned, that doesn't mean I don't like it. I have a US-PI 1912-S Peso, which I currenlty consider my best, even though it bears very similar hairline scratches, though I keep trying to find a nice natural AU replacement without having to pay through the nose.

    As to DD or MD, I can't say from the limited imagery provided, but I have noted that MD tends to double everything, lettering, devices dentelles etc.
    My US-PI One Centavo Circulation Strikes (1903-1944)
  • tacynneptacynnep Posts: 126 ✭
    I think you may be right? The coin does show some cartwheel effect close to the edge and also the field appear as proof-like finish that could be my own objective because I like the coin ?
    Thank you.
  • satootokosatootoko Posts: 2,720 ✭
    It's pretty tough to find an MS or AU Meiji coin that hasn't been cleaned at least a couple of times.

    Cleaning coins is most assuredly not considered a sin in Japan. image
    Roy


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