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Hollow Neck, Flat Neck

wybritwybrit Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭
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No, it's not the title of a bad country music song. It refers to the two varieties of "neck" on the George V portrait found on many of denominations of British coinage in 1911. Here are some shots of both on the 3ds of 1911:

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Hollow or "shallow" neck, only on 1911. Note the indentation on the right hand side of the neck.


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Flat or "full" neck for 1911, found on subsequent years. No indentation.

These two varieties are found on the farthing, halfpenny, penny, threepence, sixpence, shilling and florin. The maundy and halfcrown only seem to have the flat neck variety, per Davies.
Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.

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  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice to see a new episode of the Brit tips series by their author. image
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  • spoonspoon Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭
    Dimitri beat me to it! So does mean we can expect a return of the series? Always informative, I never knew about this one. image

    For the newer folks, here's some of Wybrit's earlier Brit Tips.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, it didn't sound like a Hank Williams song or even something recorded by the Carter Family


    Great tip Wybritimage

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  • DaltonistaDaltonista Posts: 354 ✭✭
    I gotta confess, it put me in mind of guitars, as in roundneck or squareneck dobros.

    Thanks, Wybrit, but one follow-up: who's Davies?

    When you tell us, I'll probably smack my head and find it in one of the
    jam-packed bookcases across the room.

    Best to all ~
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  • GazzaGazza Posts: 543
    Peter J Davies of British Silver Coins Since 1816 the Peck/Freeman of the silver world. He recently sold off a large number of coin at the recent London coins auction. Over inflated prices paying on his name, basically bombed. I picked up two of his pieces one of which I have returned for varification as I don't think it was as listed.

    Looking at the flat/round neck it's not easy to tell without practise. The easy way is I of BRITT to gap (round) I of BRITT to bead (flat/shallow).
  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭
    Davies is a fun book to leaf through. My website bibliography has all the details.

    The tips will be few and far between, as I am pretty tied up these days, but I'll post a topic every now and then.

    The hollow/flat neck isn't too hard to discern. Dates after 1911 have the "flat neck." A tubular looking neck will be the hollow variety. You will also see a triangular depression above the B.M.

    Here's another hollow neck, this time on a halfpenny. Once again you see the effect right above the B.M.

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  • DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508 ✭
    very cool! i have looked at these coins often, but never noticed that. thanks! image
  • GazzaGazza Posts: 543
  • GazzaGazza Posts: 543
    Oh well try again, pushed the wrong button last time. The 1911 1/2d it's the D of DEI to look for on this one. D to tooth shallow neck, D to gap full neck. There are also two reverse types to this one. A wide date (10 teeth) and narrow date (9 1/2 teeth). Although I have three in GEF-UNC the narrow date/shallow neck is being very illusive. The best I can do is about fine.
    Gary
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