71 topps BBCE group rip?
ldferg
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ok, who's going to get this rolling?
1971 topps baseball wax box, $10k. 24 packs. WOW!!
this could be "funner" than the 86f bkb rip.
1971 topps baseball wax box, $10k. 24 packs. WOW!!
this could be "funner" than the 86f bkb rip.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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Too lazy to do the legwork, but I might be in for a couple if there is a decent ROI opportunity on busting them.
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<< <i>ok, who's going to get this rolling?
1971 topps baseball wax box, $10k. 24 packs. WOW!!
this could be "funner" than the 86f bkb rip. >>
I would definitely be in for say an "estate sale" at an auction site.
Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
Again...I would definitely go in for say around $500 - $1,000 for unopened packs at an auction if anyone ever wants to get that rolling, and I will only send my money to a trusted member here such as Stone, Storm, Grote, Winpitcher, LMM and a few others, and "No" I'm not going to organize it, but I'd love to take a shot at ripping some unopened packs where there is at least a chance of getting something good - With this proposed 1971 rip, in my opinion, I believe the chances of getting something good worth the price are basically close to zero.
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<< <i>ok, who's going to get this rolling?
1971 topps baseball wax box, $10k. 24 packs. WOW!!
this could be "funner" than the 86f bkb rip. >>
I would definitely be in for say an "estate sale" at an auction site.
Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
Again...I would definitely go in for say around $500 - $1,000 for unopened packs at an auction if anyone ever wants to get that rolling, and I will only send my money to a trusted member here such as Stone, Storm, Grote, Winpitcher, LMM and a few others, and "No" I'm not going to organize it, but I'd love to take a shot at ripping some unopened packs where there is at least a chance of getting something good - With this proposed 1971 rip, in my opinion, I believe the chances of getting something good worth the price are basically close to zero. >>
So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post.
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
Paul
<< <i>ust an opinion, but for my money, nothing beats a rack pack. For the 71's it's 54 cards, and your cost per card is much lower than wax. A recent sale on Ebay went for $675, well worth the risk. >>
having opened several 71 racks a few years ago, good luck!!!! the 71 racks do not protect the cards well as they are tightly packed and the plastic contracts over the years and it is brutal on the black borders.
as to stevek's comments , in aggregate it is probably a money loser , in 24 individual lots , it will turn out well for a few . it is the same as a lottery ticket. if someone pulls a psa 9 aaron or ryan , they will hit a home run. same as the 86 fleer basketball box. I don't think the 4 people who pulled the jordan's are complaining about there participation in the event.
<< <i>So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
That's how I read it.
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Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
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So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
Now, here is the question. As mentioned before in another thread related to the 1971 Topps BB, it appears that Steve Hart inspects the packs to make sure that they are okay. Question is, why does someone need to inspect the packs? And how does he inspect them? Does he check just to make sure that the seals are okay and that the corners are okay? What if he "accidentally" finds through the wrapper that the player is a valuable star player (e..g Nolan Ryan)? Does he go through all the packs, or just does a spot check?
Furthermore, in other threads, it has been stated that it is possible to determine an approximate sequence of cards from the information given by a plain sight inspection. Steve Hart is very knowledgable, and based on that, it would be very easy for him to determine the probability of a pack having a key card.
Not to say that there is anything wrong with the BBCE, but like stevek says, knowledge is powerful, and in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous, and in today's world, it pays to be careful.
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<< <i>ok, who's going to get this rolling?
1971 topps baseball wax box, $10k. 24 packs. WOW!!
this could be "funner" than the 86f bkb rip. >>
I would definitely be in for say an "estate sale" at an auction site.
Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
Again...I would definitely go in for say around $500 - $1,000 for unopened packs at an auction if anyone ever wants to get that rolling, and I will only send my money to a trusted member here such as Stone, Storm, Grote, Winpitcher, LMM and a few others, and "No" I'm not going to organize it, but I'd love to take a shot at ripping some unopened packs where there is at least a chance of getting something good - With this proposed 1971 rip, in my opinion, I believe the chances of getting something good worth the price are basically close to zero. >>
So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
I'm not bashing BBCE at all - He's a businessman and is going to do whatever is necessary to maximize profit - and that's being smart. He's not like gambling affiliate commission hucksters claiming that all this money can be made playing online poker when that's a crock of chit - Steve isn't claiming anything as far as making money busting his unopened packs, he's just offering the product and for an unopened pack collector, it's a good buy. However for someone trying to profit from ripping these packs, it's a terrible buy in which in my opinion losing money and losing a lot of money, the chances of that are close to 100%, if not 100%.
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<< <i>ok, who's going to get this rolling?
1971 topps baseball wax box, $10k. 24 packs. WOW!!
this could be "funner" than the 86f bkb rip. >>
I would definitely be in for say an "estate sale" at an auction site.
Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
Again...I would definitely go in for say around $500 - $1,000 for unopened packs at an auction if anyone ever wants to get that rolling, and I will only send my money to a trusted member here such as Stone, Storm, Grote, Winpitcher, LMM and a few others, and "No" I'm not going to organize it, but I'd love to take a shot at ripping some unopened packs where there is at least a chance of getting something good - With this proposed 1971 rip, in my opinion, I believe the chances of getting something good worth the price are basically close to zero. >>
So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
I'm not bashing BBCE at all - He's a businessman and is going to do whatever is necessary to maximize profit - and that's being smart. He's not like gambling affiliate commission hucksters claiming that all this money can be made playing online poker when that's a crock of chit - Steve isn't claiming anything as far as making money busting his unopened packs, he's just offering the product and for an unopened pack collector, it's a good buy. However for someone trying to profit from ripping these packs, it's a terrible buy in which in my opinion losing money and losing a lot of money, the chances of that are close to 100%, if not 100%. >>
I agree it's not worth it from an economic perspective, unless you get can get 8.5's and 9's. There is only Aaron and Ryan which are worth anything in the lower grades, and anything else, you would need an 8.5's or 9's across the board to do well.
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Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
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So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
Now, here is the question. As mentioned before in another thread related to the 1971 Topps BB, it appears that Steve Hart inspects the packs to make sure that they are okay. Question is, why does someone need to inspect the packs? And how does he inspect them? Does he check just to make sure that the seals are okay and that the corners are okay? What if he "accidentally" finds through the wrapper that the player is a valuable star player (e..g Nolan Ryan)? Does he go through all the packs, or just does a spot check?
Furthermore, in other threads, it has been stated that it is possible to determine an approximate sequence of cards from the information given by a plain sight inspection. Steve Hart is very knowledgable, and based on that, it would be very easy for him to determine the probability of a pack having a key card.
Not to say that there is anything wrong with the BBCE, but like stevek says, knowledge is powerful, and in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous, and in today's world, it pays to be careful. >>
That helps clarify my point.
Steve is a fantastic reputable seller, and I'd have no problem at all sending Steve a large amount of money for something I wanted to buy from him, and I know I'd be happy with it or Steve would work something out - this isn't even debatable with BBCE.
However, if anybody with an unopened pack, I mean anybody myself included, "knew" or strongly felt there was say a card in that pack worth many thousands of dollars, what's he gonna do, not open it and get it slabbed and sell it for say $500 - well, of course not - he's gonna bust that pack himself. But say in an estate auction whereby the seller just hires the auction site to sell all the cards, with that I'd be willing to take a shot at buying some vintage unopened packs and busting them.
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Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
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So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
Now, here is the question. As mentioned before in another thread related to the 1971 Topps BB, it appears that Steve Hart inspects the packs to make sure that they are okay. Question is, why does someone need to inspect the packs? And how does he inspect them? Does he check just to make sure that the seals are okay and that the corners are okay? What if he "accidentally" finds through the wrapper that the player is a valuable star player (e..g Nolan Ryan)? Does he go through all the packs, or just does a spot check?
Furthermore, in other threads, it has been stated that it is possible to determine an approximate sequence of cards from the information given by a plain sight inspection. Steve Hart is very knowledgable, and based on that, it would be very easy for him to determine the probability of a pack having a key card.
Not to say that there is anything wrong with the BBCE, but like stevek says, knowledge is powerful, and in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous, and in today's world, it pays to be careful. >>
The board rip that we organized for the 1986 Fleer box yielded 4 Jordan’s and 3 Jordan stickers - the box cost all of us $10,000. I've talked with Steve and he knows the order of the box and could have pulled all the Jordan’s out!
How long do you think he'd be in business if cheery picked his products? Steve has gone above and beyond to insure that all of us are happy with the packs we purchase - there are numerous accounts of Steve backing up the things he sells 100%
IMO, Steve's products are the closest most of us can get to buying the original boxes as they came from the factory.
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Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
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So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
Now, here is the question. As mentioned before in another thread related to the 1971 Topps BB, it appears that Steve Hart inspects the packs to make sure that they are okay. Question is, why does someone need to inspect the packs? And how does he inspect them? Does he check just to make sure that the seals are okay and that the corners are okay? What if he "accidentally" finds through the wrapper that the player is a valuable star player (e..g Nolan Ryan)? Does he go through all the packs, or just does a spot check?
Furthermore, in other threads, it has been stated that it is possible to determine an approximate sequence of cards from the information given by a plain sight inspection. Steve Hart is very knowledgable, and based on that, it would be very easy for him to determine the probability of a pack having a key card.
Not to say that there is anything wrong with the BBCE, but like stevek says, knowledge is powerful, and in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous, and in today's world, it pays to be careful. >>
The board rip that we organized for the 1986 Fleer box yielded 4 Jordan’s and 3 Jordan stickers - the box cost all of us $10,000. I've talked with Steve and he knows the order of the box and could have pulled all the Jordan’s out!
How long do you think he'd be in business if cheery picked his products? Steve has gone above and beyond to insure that all of us are happy with the packs we purchase - there are numerous accounts of Steve backing up the things he sells 100%
IMO, Steve's products are the closest most of us can get to buying the original boxes as they came from the factory. >>
Yes, Steve is honest. No doubt about it. But the problem is that there is a lot of visibility when someone buys an entire box and posts it on the CU Forum. We expect to get the 3 or 4 Jordans and the 3 or 4 Stickers. If we don't, we would all cry foul and Steve's reputation would go away. Same with any other dealer and knowledgable collector. We know what to expect.
I wonder what would happen though if someone bought one pack of the Fleer 86 BK, once a week, for 36 weeks from any reputable dealer. Would he or she get the comparable results?
I always dealt mainly in wax boxes/cases, but never opened more than 1 to 2 % (just an itch that needed scratched) most of my single cards came off of the public selling me cards that I wanted or figured I could make a profit on, (which is where I am sure Steve at BBCE gets 99.5% to 99.9% of his single cards from).
I bet if you ask any dealer/advanced collector 99% will tell you opening wax boxes is better than scratch offs or 1 armed bandits But not much better. At least with opening boxes you still have something left when you are done gambling.
Even if I found an old vintage Topps wax box 75 or before or even an unopened 86 Fleer box for 10 bucks at a yard sale, don't open it get it slabbed and sell it (more profit) 99.5% of the time.
PS: Steve at BBCE was a PSA 10 dealer before PSA was invented. Not just my opinion (I'm 100% sure of that).
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Sorry, not for me from a dealer who clearly knows what he's got, and who also sells graded individual cards, and would rip it himself if he felt there was good profit to be made by grading the cards in the packs.
I think it's quite clear if ripping these packs it would be a very disappointing money loser, and it's an easy call.
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So you are basically saying you do not trust Steve Hart and the BBCE? I'm not bashing you just trying to understand you post. >>
Now, here is the question. As mentioned before in another thread related to the 1971 Topps BB, it appears that Steve Hart inspects the packs to make sure that they are okay. Question is, why does someone need to inspect the packs? And how does he inspect them? Does he check just to make sure that the seals are okay and that the corners are okay? What if he "accidentally" finds through the wrapper that the player is a valuable star player (e..g Nolan Ryan)? Does he go through all the packs, or just does a spot check?
Furthermore, in other threads, it has been stated that it is possible to determine an approximate sequence of cards from the information given by a plain sight inspection. Steve Hart is very knowledgable, and based on that, it would be very easy for him to determine the probability of a pack having a key card.
Not to say that there is anything wrong with the BBCE, but like stevek says, knowledge is powerful, and in the wrong hands, it can be dangerous, and in today's world, it pays to be careful. >>
The board rip that we organized for the 1986 Fleer box yielded 4 Jordan’s and 3 Jordan stickers - the box cost all of us $10,000. I've talked with Steve and he knows the order of the box and could have pulled all the Jordan’s out!
How long do you think he'd be in business if cheery picked his products? Steve has gone above and beyond to insure that all of us are happy with the packs we purchase - there are numerous accounts of Steve backing up the things he sells 100%
IMO, Steve's products are the closest most of us can get to buying the original boxes as they came from the factory. >>
Well, as you should know if you follow the CU forum posts, for every "winner" such as this, there are a lot of losers...and I mean a lot of losers. And you seem to keep harping on BBCE's credibility and reputation with "there are numerous accounts of Steve backing up the things he sells 100%"...and I've already answered that is not in question.
Does Steve or every other person, and again, I mean EVERY other person selling unopened packs "cherry pick" them? - Well in my opinion of course they do and they would have to be an idiot not to, and to believe otherwise would be quite naive to the nth degree.
BTW and I'll take your word for it...you stated "the box cost all of us $10,000" - what is your guestimate that having ripped the packs, the cards in total are worth?
<< <i>Does Steve or every other person, and again, I mean EVERY other person selling unopened packs "cherry pick" them? - Well in my opinion of course they do and they would have to be an idiot not to, and to believe otherwise would be quite naive to the nth degree. >>
Well those rack,cello and wax packs with stars showing that have a higher selling price have to come from somewhere. And I realize that dealers buy these from collectors but like I said they have to come from somewhere.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
If you can afford to rip packs or gamble whatever the price - more power to you! I for one don't rip to turn a profit.
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BTW and I'll take your word for it...you stated "the box cost all of us $10,000" - what is your guestimate that having ripped the packs, the cards in total are worth? >>
Not sure but I know 2 of the Jordans graded PSA 9, 1 PSA 8.5 (I think the other would grade about the same) - so that's almost $4,000 right there - several people got their packs graded and I think most of the packs will pull 9's so people will be able to make money off those if they want.
<< <i>Some people play the lottery, some take trips to Vegas, some bet on sports, some buy wax (packs, boxes, cellos, racks, case whatever)... if you are doing any of this for profit they you may have a problem.
If you can afford to rip packs or gamble whatever the price - more power to you! I for one don't rip to turn a profit. >>
If I buy a box, I expect to get a certain distribution. If I buy packs, then I expect to gamble. That's why for the most part I buy boxes.
So why rip packs other than for the thrill of the hunt and for the chance of getting a more valuable player ? After all, you could just buy your set of PSA 9's from a reputable source and not have to worry about all this uncertainty?
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<< <i>Some people play the lottery, some take trips to Vegas, some bet on sports, some buy wax (packs, boxes, cellos, racks, case whatever)... if you are doing any of this for profit they you may have a problem.
If you can afford to rip packs or gamble whatever the price - more power to you! I for one don't rip to turn a profit. >>
If I buy a box, I expect to get a certain distribution. If I buy packs, then I expect to gamble. That's why for the most part I buy boxes.
So why rip packs other than for the thrill of the hunt and for the chance of getting a more valuable player ? After all, you could just buy your set of PSA 9's from a reputable source and not have to worry about all this uncertainty? >>
Who said anything about worrying??? I buy packs because that's what I can afford to spend... I know the risks and I feel comfortable buying from the BBCE. But this is also why I like the Board Box rips, you know your getting what was once a full box. I'm sure that is why this topic was started.
<< <i>Some people play the lottery, some take trips to Vegas, some bet on sports, some buy wax (packs, boxes, cellos, racks, case whatever)... if you are doing any of this for profit they you may have a problem.
If you can afford to rip packs or gamble whatever the price - more power to you! I for one don't rip to turn a profit. >>
I agree with ya on this - I just would like to get a fair shake on a rip...that's all...I mean if I'm shelling out a dime for say a mint unopened waxpack of 62 Topps, and I'd have no problem at all doing that if I truly felt it was an unopened, non-cherry picked pack, then I'd take a shot and if I got 5 commons, then so be it. I'm just looking to get a fair shake and I'm not sure that's possible buying unopened packs from a knowledgeable unopened pack baseball card dealer - any dealer. That's all...and believe me if ya go ahead with this rip and it turns out good, I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong.
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<< <i>Some people play the lottery, some take trips to Vegas, some bet on sports, some buy wax (packs, boxes, cellos, racks, case whatever)... if you are doing any of this for profit they you may have a problem. If you can afford to rip packs or gamble whatever the price - more power to you! I for one don't rip to turn a profit. >>
I agree with ya on this - I just would like to get a fair shake on a rip...that's all...I mean if I'm shelling out a dime for say a mint unopened waxpack of 62 Topps, and I'd have no problem at all doing that if I truly felt it was an unopened, non-cherry picked pack, then I'd take a shot and if I got 5 commons, then so be it. I'm just looking to get a fair shake and I'm not sure that's possible buying unopened packs from a knowledgeable unopened pack baseball card dealer - any dealer. That's all...and believe me if ya go ahead with this rip and it turns out good, I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong. >>
If this were the case, I would think that we would have seen no Jordan sticker's on the back of the 86 Fleer packs from the recent rip. If Steve guarantees that they aren't searched, I, for one, believe him. We have been given no reason to doubt this seller.
jmo!
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If you can afford to rip packs or gamble whatever the price - more power to you! I for one don't rip to turn a profit. >>
I agree with ya on this - I just would like to get a fair shake on a rip...that's all...I mean if I'm shelling out a dime for say a mint unopened waxpack of 62 Topps, and I'd have no problem at all doing that if I truly felt it was an unopened, non-cherry picked pack, then I'd take a shot and if I got 5 commons, then so be it. I'm just looking to get a fair shake and I'm not sure that's possible buying unopened packs from a knowledgeable unopened pack baseball card dealer - any dealer. That's all...and believe me if ya go ahead with this rip and it turns out good, I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong. >>
It is possible, but only in the situation where you start off with an entire box. If you had instead just 24 "random" packs, then the chances would be worse because the "good packs" may have been selected already from different boxes.
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I agree with ya on this - I just would like to get a fair shake on a rip...that's all...I mean if I'm shelling out a dime for say a mint unopened waxpack of 62 Topps, and I'd have no problem at all doing that if I truly felt it was an unopened, non-cherry picked pack, then I'd take a shot and if I got 5 commons, then so be it. I'm just looking to get a fair shake and I'm not sure that's possible buying unopened packs from a knowledgeable unopened pack baseball card dealer - any dealer. That's all...and believe me if ya go ahead with this rip and it turns out good, I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong. >>
If this were the case, I would think that we would have seen no Jordan sticker's on the back of the 86 Fleer packs from the recent rip. If Steve guarantees that they aren't searched, I, for one, believe him. We have been given no reason to doubt this seller.
jmo!
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Then go ahead with the purchase of the 71 Topps rip and we'll see what happens - I hope I'm proven wrong...and good luck...I enjoy the rip threads a lot.
PS: I asked a participant in the 86 Fleer BB rip what was the approximate value of the cards and it didn't seem to add up to $10,000 - So if a dealer sold it for 10K and the cards weren't worth 10K ripped, that still makes my point - it was still a smart move on the seller's part to sell the lot for 10K.
Hey, I do understand the "fun" in ripping having ripped many, many packs over the years including about $200 worth of modern crap bought this year that I would take one dollar for right now and offer free shipping. LOL
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I was looking for that.
Nam beat ya to it - Next time be quicker.
<< <i>PS: I asked a participant in the 86 Fleer BB rip what was the approximate value of the cards and it didn't seem to add up to $10,000 - So if a dealer sold it for 10K and the cards weren't worth 10K ripped, that still makes my point - it was still a smart move on the seller's part to sell the lot for 10K. >>
That is exactly why a group rip makes sense. If one person bought the whole thing, they'll be spending a good bit of money on the enjoyment of ripping the packs and most likely won't recover the $10k financially.
However, if 24 people each spend $400/pack and one or two of them get a hit, then they've done well.
I don't think many people go into these things expecting to make money. Hope? Sure. Expectation? Foolish.
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He hid it on me...haha
<< <i>Just how much is this box that has SteveK so upset about??
$10K
<< <i>240 cards in the box, how many total in the series? topps boxes from the early 70s and back had a lot of repetition. like you might get 10 cards of the same guy, even 2 or 3 in the same pack. would be cool to see (i'm broke so i'm out), but most might just slab the pack....... >>
Series 4 packs should have 132 different cards although I believe 2 of the checklists were printed in previous series (coin cl and series 4 cl), John
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
all packs i get , no matter how new or old they are . Its just fun to me and if i can turn a profit by pulling a great card , then cool. If
not i buy more packs .
Always looking for Chipper Jones cards.
Im a very focused collector of cards from 1909 - 2012...LOL
Buying unopened from any dealer is a huge risk even if the product is genuine and there are many thieves out there who won't even offer the tiny chance that would exist for making a decent return on opening a series of packs or a vintage box, especially from this era. I bought a 75 mini box from Steve a few years back and the Brett RC was showing right through the wrapper on the back of one of the packs..if that pack had been cherry picked and easily replaced, it would have been woirth a couple hundred bucks in a separate sale.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
came that way to him. Where they were before he got them I don't trust.
Steve
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knowing the source of the box , the box was unsearched and the original 24 packs. as I said previously , probably a couple win big , a couple brek even and a bunch lose. but overall 24 people had a hell of a lot of fun