Cutler To Da Bears!
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<< <i>what a freaking waste. >>
Someone is bitter they didn't get Cutler, huh?
+ Orlando Pace!! This is the best move they've made since getting Walter Payton!!!
JS
<< <i>Looks like a steal for the da bears, two 1st rounders isnt too bad for the broncos but damn seems bleak at the qb slot for them. >>
Steal? Put down the crackpipe.
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Something is wrong with Cutler, and he may even be a worse head case than even the media has described. I predict this will be a bust trade for the Bears, even though Cutler is on paper, obviously better than what they had at quarterback, the price was way too steep. Could also be a potential physical problem with Cutler to some degree that hasn't come out in the press. Something is wrong here, and I think Denver management is smiling widely tonight at this deal.
I think this applies across the board in just about everything and especially in sports. Is Jake Cutler a good QB? I think he is. But you'll be hard pressed to find anyone to think that he is the BEST quarterback. And his feelings aside, Denver saw an opportunity to improve their team by acquiring Matt Cassel. Of course Denver did not acquire Cassel.
What if Denver went to Cutler and said, "we're thinking of acquiring Albert Haynesworth to improve our team? What do you think?" I imagine Cutler would say great! Because Denver's defense sucked last year. I don't think Cutler would say, "oh, that's great, but wouldn't acquiring Haynesworth result in Player X losing his job? In that case, I'm not so sure Haynesworth is a good idea." There would be a 0% chance of those words being uttered.
It's the same story everywhere, do what you want. But if it affects MY livelihood, lay off.
/s/ JackWESQ
There is no position that even comes close to being as important as the QB position. None. In fact, I would argue that there isn't a single position in all of sports, with the possible exception of the goalie in hockey, that's this important. If you don't believe me, go back through the W/L records of teams that have had the services of outstanding quarterbacks. You'll see that almost none of them ever lose more than 10 games in a season, no matter what kind of stiffs they put around him. In other words, every year that you trot out a very, very good quarterback is a year where you can reasonably expect to be in the hunt, no matter who the other 21 guys are.
If you're the Bears, and you have a chance to pick up Jay Cutler for two middling 1st round picks, you do that deal in a New York minute. The reason this deal has gotten so much press is because quarterbacks like this never, ever come up for trade, and that makes this literally a once-a-decade opportunity for the team that lands him. Sure, there aren't any guarantees-- but the chances that Jay Cutler will perform at a very high level for years to come are much, much higher than the chances that one of these first rounders will do the same (check the record of 1st rounders taken in the 15-25 range), and Cutler will be doing it in the most important position on the field.
As a Bears fan, I don't have a problem with Angelo trading away the 1st round picks, since he clearly doesn't have a track record of those picks panning out.
I think that it was great move to pick up Cutler.
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You're right, which is exactly why I'm very suspicious and predicting Cutler will be a bust with Chicago, or at the very least I am as sure as possible he will not live up to the expectations.
Ya gotta understand something about the world of business, and the NFL is a business - any business owner can schmooze over almost any employee who he really wants to keep, over a dinner and an offer of more money. That's it in a nutshell and is true for virtually all situations out there. I have witnessed dozens of times over the years, key employees getting miffed and either quitting or threatening to quit, but the owner who truly wants them to stay, schmoozes them especially with money or benefits, and the next day the two are "best buddies" again doing what it takes to make themselves more money.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Broncos management wanted Cutler out...and that "reason" will show up, in an ugly big time way for the Bears, sooner or later...and meanwhile those middle first round picks which are usually loaded with stud offensive and defensive linemen, which is how NFL championships are won on the front lines, they will not be playing for the Bears because the Bears won't have these picks.
<< <i>Well said Boo! >>
Yes, Tom Brady nearly pulled SB 42 out of his ass despite not being 100% and his team being outplayed badly by the Giants.
They will field a better team this year.
Long term winner = Denver (maybe)
Depends on how they use the drafy picks
I think its a fair deal for the situation, Denver was never going to get full value for Cutler after all that has transpired.
Here's a list of the teams that have the most wins in the NFL since 2001:
#1) New England Patriots
#2) Indianapolis Colts
#3) Pittsburgh Steelers
#4) Philadelphia Eagles
#5) Green Bay Packers
My point is, assuming you have heard the names Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, McNabb, & Favre, that I completely agree with Boo. QB is the most important position to a team in sports. A team has to have an upper echelon QB to continually do well in the NFL.
Now is Cutler the answer? I don't know. Several on here are pointing to his career W/L record. But how much worse would it have been for the Broncos with another QB? They trotted him out there at a very young age and a defense that's one of the worst in the league. He played over one season with an undiagnosed case of diabetes, and last year without help from a running game. How many backs did they trot out there last year due to injury? 8?
With the Bears having a traditionally strong defense and a young star in Matt Forte, I think Cutler makes that team a sure fire favorite for the NFC Central. Giving up 2 first rounders is steep, but like Purdue Pete said, the Bears can't hit a homerun with a first round pick anyway.
shawn
MATT FORTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His fantasy value for next year just doubled, he got a legit big-armed qb and a HOF tackle in O Pace! What a day, fewer 8 man fronts and a man-mountain tackle.
I don't care about Pace's age, OL have the propensity of maintain a high level of play throughout there longer than average career, and I feel that Pace will more important to next years success than Cutler.
Chicago is one OL and one top teir WR from the Super Bowl, and when they sign Torry Holt they'll be one piece closer
than him.
Bosox1976
Of course all of this depends on how well the team plays and how well Denver drafts. Orton can be a serviceable QB in the right system. Can't recall another trade for a franchise QB to compare this too.
<< <i>Orton played pretty well last year - he is not chopped liver. I would think he alone might be worth a decent second round pick. He is better than at least 8 or 10 starting QBs in the league (and that was without WRs). >>
No, he did not. He passed a few balls that the Bears WR's caught. He is a horrible QB. You will NEVER hear of him again after this year. Write that down. Are you trying to win some sort of preposterous statement contest?
I said he was better than 8-10 starters last year & the numbers bear this out (no pun intended). He also wins games and plays in pain, and did this in a conservative offense with no receiving threats at all (except maybe a rookie rb who did well with swing passes).
I would be very surprised if he doesn't start over Simms and become a "middle-of-the pack" QB with Denvers WR's.
FYI - on Orton:
Completion % -- 25th of 32 starters (25/32)
YPA -- 26/32
TD% -- 18/32
Int% -- 17/32
QB Rating -- 25/32
He is much more than a throw-in is my real point. Looking at this as draft picks only would be underestimating what the Broncos got for Cutler who's numbers were:
Completion % -- 14th of 32 starters (14/32)
YPA -- 10/32
TD% -- 13/32
Int% -- 25/32
QB Rating -- 16/32
While this is a very simple analysis, that discounts total yards/attempts/etc to better compare two very different offenses - it would seem like Cutler is about 15th in the league and Orton is about 22nd by these measures. That said, Cutler's arm strength will help at Soldier Field - and his deep balls will open up a lot for Forte.
Of course Cutler is better, the question is how much? And is is worth all of the draft picks to move from a bottom third QB to a middle third QB? And will the presence of McDaniels and the better WRs negate the separation between the two? It will be interesting to see.
Bosox1976
<< <i>maybe Elway is coming back and it just hasn't been announced yet - did ya ever think about that? >>
Cutler didn't help his popularity in Denver by saying he had a stronger arm than Elway.
Even if its true, you don't say something like that. Just made him look like a jerk, and the latest events confirm he is a huge crybaby jerk.
Kyle Orton. Lol
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<< <i>Hey PurduePete, don't forget about the Rashaan Salaam era!! Another Bears first round bust!!
Here's a list of the teams that have the most wins in the NFL since 2001:
#1) New England Patriots
#2) Indianapolis Colts
#3) Pittsburgh Steelers
#4) Philadelphia Eagles
#5) Green Bay Packers
My point is, assuming you have heard the names Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, McNabb, & Favre, that I completely agree with Boo. QB is the most important position to a team in sports. A team has to have an upper echelon QB to continually do well in the NFL.
Now is Cutler the answer? I don't know. Several on here are pointing to his career W/L record. But how much worse would it have been for the Broncos with another QB? They trotted him out there at a very young age and a defense that's one of the worst in the league. He played over one season with an undiagnosed case of diabetes, and last year without help from a running game. How many backs did they trot out there last year due to injury? 8?
With the Bears having a traditionally strong defense and a young star in Matt Forte, I think Cutler makes that team a sure fire favorite for the NFC Central. Giving up 2 first rounders is steep, but like Purdue Pete said, the Bears can't hit a homerun with a first round pick anyway.
shawn >>
GREAT post, and very good points re: Cutler. Could he still bust out? Sure he could. I think it's clear that he's at least a moderate head case, and who knows how this thing with the diabetes will play out in five years, so you have to allow that the Bears could end up on the short end here. But anyone who thinks that a middling 1st round pick=guaranteed stud for the next ten years needs to bone up on the NFL draft history.
Great teams become great teams by a) Having a great, or at least very good, QB (very few exceptions to this), and b) getting lucky in the later rounds of the draft. The Bears, IMO, have taken care of point 'a', or at least made a noble effort. If they can get a couple mid-round picks to pan out in the next two to three years they'll be one of the five teams or so favored to wind up in that year's Superbowl.
Jay Cutler, on the other hand, WILL pass for 3000 yards and 20 TD's next year, save injury. He has been considered by writers and coaches as the most complete quarterback of the younger bunch....The Bears will win their division and probably get 12 wins.
In case anyone was wondering:
Cutler 09 Orton 09
Comp. % 60.5 62.1
Yds/attempt 6.61 7.03
Yds/game 229 238
QB Rating 76.8 86.8
TD's 27 21
INT's 26* 12
* = worst in the league
edit to add:
Cutler 09 Orton 08 (basically same crappy lineup)
Comp. % 60.5 58.5
Yds/attempt 6.61 6.39
Yds/game 229 198
QB Rating 76.8 79.6
TD's 27 18
INT's 26* 12
Marginal improvement for the Bears.... at best.
Bosox1976
<< <i>I am missing football way too much....
In case anyone was wondering:
Cutler Orton
Comp. % 60.5 62.1
Yds/attempt 6.61 7.03
Yds/game 229 238
QB Rating 76.8 86.8
TD's 27 21
INT's 26* 12
* = worst in the league >>
Impressive numbers by Cutler considering the lack of talent around him.
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