1970 Topps #303 Alyea Error

Vintageismygame

I was looking through some boxes and I noticed the following error on the back of #303 Brant Alyea.

If you look at the cartoon picture you'll notice that the ball is missing in the top copy. Is this a common error?




Matt

richtree

I haven't seen it ., but I would trade for them as I collect error cards .,


let me know ...


rich

richtree@gmail.com

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

I looked in my E/V resources and don't see any mention of it. Cool.

Surface on the no ball card doesn't look altered?

Robeson

Mine is missing the ball. I don't have the patience to find error's like that. Good catch

purduepete

Nice find!

My question is - how would someone go about documenting this variant within the hobby?

killingdream

<< <i>Nice find!

My question is - how would someone go about documenting this variant within the hobby? >>



Go on the Net54 board. There are guys on there associated with the SCD Standard Catalog that might be interested.

AUPT

That'd be me. Before a "new" vintage variation is listed it has to be confirmed to exist in at least a minimal quantity; so make your reports here.
I'd also want to examine in-hand an example of the "Lance Armstrong" (no ball) variation. PM if you can loan me yours.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

What's the last year to be considered vintage?

TheDudeAbides

Nice find. I have a graded version without the ball. I wonder which version is harder to find, or if they end up being equal?

AUPT

I consider "vintage" and "modern" to break where the Standard Catalog has always divided them . . . pre- and post-1980.

AUPT

C'mon guys, I need confirmation reports, scans, etc., if we're going to get this included in the "Big Book."

Littletweed

This thread is from earlier this year, but I found it interesting. 1970 is one year that I have lots of cards from. I have 9 copies of #303 - (5 w/o ball, 4 w/ ball). Seems like a fairly common error, but still a good find.

richtree

anything ever come of this ?????????????

AUPT

I posted this discovery on my blog and have added the varition to the 1970 checklist for the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards, though I don't know yet whether or not it was incorporated into the 2010 edition (I'm expecting to see an advance copy soon). It will definitely appear in the 2011 book. Right now, I'd be inclined not to put a premium on either version.

jacksoncoupage

Hi Bob-

Have you considered adding the 1978 Topps Bump Wills #23 w/ Black Circle on Front variation to the guide? It's pretty well-known among variation and Topps master set collectors.

richtree

<< <i>Hi Bob-

Have you considered adding the 1978 Topps Bump Wills #23 w/ Black Circle on Front variation to the guide? It's pretty well-known among variation and Topps master set collectors. >>




AGREED !!!!!!!!!!!

AND REMOVE THE 1990 TOPPS JEFF KING !

jacksoncoupage

<< <i>

<< <i>Hi Bob-

Have you considered adding the 1978 Topps Bump Wills #23 w/ Black Circle on Front variation to the guide? It's pretty well-known among variation and Topps master set collectors. >>




AGREED !!!!!!!!!!!

AND REMOVE THE 1990 TOPPS JEFF KING ! >>



I think the Jeff King card should be mentioned in the set heading blurb, like the way Beckett mentions the 1978 Bump Wills. Something to the effect of: "A version of card #454 has been found/reported with a yellow back - leaving no gray visible, etc.."

This way it's existence is noted, but not misleading collectors into believing it's an obtainable variation with an actual market value.

richtree

JC I don't have both of the Bump's can you post pics as a comparison of the error/correct versions...


thx

tree

jacksoncoupage

(Not mine)

richtree

AUPT,


what do you say ?


any chance with the bump?

-- how about the new 1980 topps yellow letter variations ?

error collectors need a solid voice in the industry , help!

rt

jacksoncoupage

Interesting note on the Bump variation:

The hardcover book that Topps put out in 1984 or 1985 that shows every Topps card up to the point of publication, shows the ERROR version with the black circle on it.

richtree

sweet tid bit

richtree

JC ,

I also don't know if the 1980 Topps "no Name" Greg Pryor is legit as well,

I have never seen anyone / picture / anything with this one either...

anyone ????????????????????

AUPT

I did some nosing around about the Bump Wills variations many months ago, and found that, like many variations, there are several stages that can be found. I believe this is a variation worth cataloging, but need to look at decent scans of the affected area in close-up to determine how best to describe it in the listings. If you can post such scans, or send them to me via PM, I'd appreciate it.

I'm also considering whether or not to continue to list the 1990 Jeff King variation. There is no doubt that it exists as a legitimate variation, but since further examples have not been forthcoming, nor reports of a similar error on the rest of the press sheet, it may be best to relegate it to a side note or something similar.

There are no plans to expand the name/color variations in 1980, since none of what I've seen indicates the more recently reported cards are anything more than ink shortages affecting a few cards. In reality, that's probably all the currently cataloged variations are, but since they have an established market, they have attain an aura of legitimacy.

richtree

awesome...

JC<

get this man what he needs to get it done for the "big book"