help needed on resealed GAI 8 pack..updated 4/8

RipublicaninMass

So I bought a GAi 8 pack and it is sitting at the post office. I am told it is bogus, and already contacted the seller who is standing by it is GAi graded. What are the best steps to TRY and get my money back? I will updated the thread as I go along. Should I send it to PSA with MG and see what happens, just try to return it to the seller. Pack was 280 after paypal coupon.


TIA


Ted

Carew29

Let's start off with the easy question's first.......Who told you it is bogus? What proof do they have it is not lot legit?

PoppaJ

Hi Ted,

was the seller bbwax by any chance?

PoppaJ

storm888

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ElToroLoco

Return to sender

packCollector

<< <i>Hi Ted,

was the seller bbwax by any chance?

PoppaJ >>



I'll answer for Ted, yes

PoppaJ

<< <i>

<< <i>Hi Ted,

was the seller bbwax by any chance?

PoppaJ >>



I'll answer for Ted, yes >>



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My reason for asking was that bbwax has a 3-day return policy.

If the package is still at the PO, he would have ample time to return the pack for a refund.

PoppaJ

grote15

bbwax is a resealing crook...most of his packs are raw and most likely rejects from GAI but he has been getting quite a few holdered, too. Yet another reason to be extremely wary of GAI graded packs in the new flip. A boatload of bad 1977s were graded last year, too, almost all of which were graded Mint 9 and Gem Mint 9.5..those packs were manufactured from an uncut roll of 1977 wrappers and will have no roller lines or wax residue on back..

Carew29

See, that's the problem with this board...everyone is answering the question before Ted has responded. See, how it works is, you ask a question and wait for a response from Ted...THEN REPLY!!

grote15

See, that's the problem with this board...everyone is answering the question before Ted has responded. See, how it works is, you ask a question and wait for a response from Ted...THEN REPLY!!

Packcollector is the one who alerted Ted in another thread that the pack was bad in the first place, so we all know where the pack came from...obviously you have no idea about any of that..

RipublicaninMass

Someone on the boards I believe has sold very scare WRAPPERS to an ebay ID, and it was the same address as the sending address of BBwax! I guess I will just try to use the return policy, at first I wouldnt think anyone would reseal a one cent pack, I never believed someone would buy a 5$ common and a 30$ wrapper and turn it into a $300 pack! I guess I will pick it up and ship it back. The seller had some GAI packs, and some raw, I would have thought the legit packs would be graded but maybe the raw packs didnt even pass GAI

ElToroLoco

Why would you pick it up? Just refuse delivery from the post office. If it's in your P.O. Box, I suppose I unerstand, but I'd still write Return to Sender on the package.

RipublicaninMass

You guys think that would work? I have no idea with paypal rules what would happen, but it wasmy intent NOT to pick it up!

mmcfadden

Looking at bbwax's ebay feedback I see that you are not the only person to feel like the stuff has been resealed


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RipublicaninMass

I refused the package at the post office, now he refuses to give a refund saying it was over 3 days from purchase...but of course not 3 days from delivery. Do I file SNAD or INR?

Thanks in advance


Ted

WinPitcher

Sorry to hear this Ted.

Steve

gameusedhoop

It was over $250, correct? Paid with Paypal, correct? If you refused it and never signed for the Signature Confirmation that would have been required for him use per Paypal rules, then I would go for the INR. PP will ask him for the Sig Conf. #, and it will never show up as signed for by Ted from Lynnfield. You should automatically get your refund from PP after enough time has passed for you to have received the package.

WinPitcher

Good advice Hoop.

Steve

storm888

It's an INR.

No sig-con, no seller defense.

I would not NEG him, until AFTER I got my refund.