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What would you classify this error as, struck on a broken or split planchet or both?

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  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,436 ✭✭✭✭
    It is a ragged clip.
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Wow! Very nice error! It's a ragged clip I believe, and a nice one at that!




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  • CoinAuctionsHelpCoinAuctionsHelp Posts: 515
    I picked it up at a coin show, but I thought a Clip still had to show some form of roundness?
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,490 ✭✭✭✭
    Here's a question for you...................could you get that effect if you froze a nickel with liquid nitrogen and smacked it with a hammer?
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  • CoinAuctionsHelpCoinAuctionsHelp Posts: 515
    I would say other cracks and splitting would be evident because nitrogen would make the whole coin fragile. Also, the coin has original luster and I don't know if nitrogen would leave that intact either.
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It is a ragged clip. >>



    A superb example of a ragged clip, may I add!
  • InternetJunkyInternetJunky Posts: 2,329 ✭
    Ok heres a newb question. How would someone go about finding this? I mean, I don't think it would be put into circulation by the mint (for obvious reasons - could be wrong though). So does someone at the mint sweeping the floors just pick it up and pocket it hoping to score a premium or what? Could it be possible it was found in an original roll?
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    While the possibility exists that this coin was smuggled out of the mint, it is much more likely that it simply got into a mint bag of nickels and was found by someone who looked in that original bag.



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  • SCDHunterSCDHunter Posts: 686 ✭✭✭
    Nickel mites!image
  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    I don't think that it's a ragged clip, there's no Blakesley effect; it was split after strike. I DO like the piece.
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  • frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750 ✭


    << <i>I don't think that it's a ragged clip, there's no Blakesley effect; it was split after strike. I DO like the piece. >>



    Not all genuine clips have the Blaskesly effect.

    Looks like a genuine ragged clip to me.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 149 ✭✭
    I believe that nickels are also known to show the Blakesley effect much less (if at all) than other coins.
  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin. Oned of the few pictures I've been able to see due to the military censorship over here...

    The question I have is... is it grade-able? I think there might be an issue with this due to the damage to the edge between God and Trust.

    The next question is... are the steps complete? They look pretty good, but without a closeup, unknown. But, there is bad news with it... even if it does have the steps, I haven't seen many recent Jeff errors receive the step designation from PCGS. I also wonder for obvious errors

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  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    "Not all genuine clips have the Blaskesly effect."

    You're right, but this piece has NO metal flow, "anywhere".... The bottom of letters E P L should be stretched and out of porportion, they're not. Another criteria is that the rim points at the edges of the, so called clip, should be flat(flattened) due to having been raised by the upset mill, then flattened at strike; they're not, and that's why I believe it's "split after strike".
    John G Bradley II
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    erroid, it's possible the piece broke off shortly after the strike, or maybe even as a result of the strike, but the coin is still going to be described by most people (me included) as a ragged clip. There could be subtle metal flow along the edge of the clip that the pictures aren't showing; any metal flow that is there probably won't look like a curved clip anyway because of the unpredictability of the surface of the ragged edge.

    FullstepJeffs - that is not damage on the rim you're seeing, it's more planchet roughness associated with the ragged clip. I don't see any reason at all why that coin wouldn't grade at PCGS or any other service.


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  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    I'm not trying to "split hairs", just stating my reasoning for calling it split after strike; your conjecture of "split AT strike" could very well be true. As stated, it is a lovely piece and I also believe that it's gradable.
    John G Bradley II
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin, but it's not a clip.
  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭
    It's definitely a ragged clip, better explained here.
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  • yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    Also from the family of "incomplete planchets."
    Garrow
  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭


    << <i>FullstepJeffs - that is not damage on the rim you're seeing, it's more planchet roughness associated with the ragged clip. I don't see any reason at all why that coin wouldn't grade at PCGS or any other service.


    Sean Reynolds >>



    Cool... then congrats!

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  • BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    LOL exactly what I was thinking

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