restrike 1780 Maria Theresia: Major rarity
Austrokiwi
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This post is by way of a test, as I familiarise my self with the forum. The coin posted if not examined closely looks like a standard restrike. However those "in the know" will recognise that it is a very rarely seen/obtained coin ( currently only 10 examples are known).
The story behind the coin. The story is more complicated than normal, as their are two attributions. Many Austrian experts will tell you the coin is a 1815 Venice restrike, this is despite some of those same experts stating that Venice did not start minting MTTs until 1817. My research has highlighted and confirmed an article from 1896 by a very reputable Austrian expert of that time: Carl von Ernst. This is the story he tells:
In 1789 Tobias Shoebel (S of the standard SF mint signature), mint master of Guenzburg mint, died. The mint Warden Joseph Faby ( F in the normal mint signature) was promoted to Mint master and the mints cashier Franz Stehr became mint warden. In 1793 the existent MTT dies were worn out so Faby and Stehr had new dies cut, and following mint tradition but in direct contravention of orders from the Vienna mint changed the mint signature to F.S. ( Faby Stehr). Vienna on finding out ordered the dies and coins destroyed........obviously some coins escaped. This is one of those survivors.
The story behind the coin. The story is more complicated than normal, as their are two attributions. Many Austrian experts will tell you the coin is a 1815 Venice restrike, this is despite some of those same experts stating that Venice did not start minting MTTs until 1817. My research has highlighted and confirmed an article from 1896 by a very reputable Austrian expert of that time: Carl von Ernst. This is the story he tells:
In 1789 Tobias Shoebel (S of the standard SF mint signature), mint master of Guenzburg mint, died. The mint Warden Joseph Faby ( F in the normal mint signature) was promoted to Mint master and the mints cashier Franz Stehr became mint warden. In 1793 the existent MTT dies were worn out so Faby and Stehr had new dies cut, and following mint tradition but in direct contravention of orders from the Vienna mint changed the mint signature to F.S. ( Faby Stehr). Vienna on finding out ordered the dies and coins destroyed........obviously some coins escaped. This is one of those survivors.
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Austrokiwi, do you have an image of ths coin that is not a scan?
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Just having my morning coffee........PM function is on................ Unfortunately I do not have a decent enough camera so rely on my scanner at the moment. However I am following a suggestion from another collector and will be trying to develop a photography rig that will allow me to photograph the coins and edge at the same time( Using a cars headlight reflector). For me it is important to be able to see the edge of MTTs as most of the late 18th century and early 19th century coins have edge decorations ( between the motto Justitia et Clementia) specific to each mint. So I can't give photos now but may be later in the year.