Possible eBay scam

UtahCoin

Since I don't know, and have never dealt with the seller, I won't come right out and say it, but......
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Something tells me this is one of those "Made in China" copies (that they conveniently forget to stamp "COPY" on) that has been darkened and being sold as a "jewelery piece". The detail on the hair, the color of the coin, and the freshness of the hole lead me to believe this is a copy.

What say you? (other than the obvious "Not with a 10" pole")

doh

Sure looks fake to me. Lincoln's head doesn't look right at all.

AUandAG

Doesn't look right to me either. Hmmmm, that Kennedy looks odd as well.
bob

GoldenEyeNumismatics

Without a doubt bogus.

bushmaster8

I wonder if there are in use an "copy" punches wherein the word "copy" on the coin would fit in the holed area?

SilverEagles92

It's not even a good fake.

Loki

It seems to me that every listing questioned on this forum for questionable authenticity of a coin that has in the description, "You be the judge" or.... "I have no idea of the history of " or... "I will leave it up to the bidder to decide" has turned out 100% to have been counterfeit.

kranky

Actually, the seller is pretty upfront about things. The auction says "PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS PRIOR TO BIDDING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY NUMISMATIC ITEM, PLEASE DO NOT BID. "

I interpret that as "ask questions before bidding, unless it's about a numismatic item. In that case, don't ask any questions and don't bid."

Perhaps the intent is to avoid being confronted with pesky questions about trivial issues like, oh, authenticity.

Manorcourtman

And he's an ANA member

66RB

I like his 1909-S VDB. The rare 'slanted date' variety

UtahCoin

I just sent him the following:

It sure is odd that you have so many key and semi key cents all toned black, all with holes. If one were suspicious, one would think you were buying counterfeits out of China, toning them black with sulfur, drilling a hole, then passing them off as real.

If these are genuine, why not have PCGS or ANACS certify them as such and get 3 or four times as much for them?
Your auctions are being watched on the PCGS coin forums.

Res

You guys got him to change his auction. Now he's saying it may be an altered date/

ArizonaJack

Not even close. WTF is going on with this Chinese carp, something has to be done.

devious

<< <i>Not even close. WTF is going on with this Chinese carp, something has to be done. >>




Goodluck! About the only thing people can do is hope that people buying are buying for the right reasons and remove these types of coins from circulation. While it's a challenge, removing one from circulation prevents somebody else from getting burned. I commend all dealers who do buy counterfeit gold/silver/coins to remove them from circulation. It was posted on another forum where a fellow was at a dealer's store and somebody walked in with some gold and wanted to sell it. After much discussion, the dealer told the potential seller that the gold was in fact fake and offered the seller 10 dollars anyways to remove it from circulation. The seller refused and said he'd just take it elsewhere to sell. Sadly, it seems without a lot of good honest people out there these days, everybody is at some point or another going to have the mistake of encountering a counterfeit in their collection. But let's hope not!!!!

And I'm in love with old chinese philosophy. Sure pisses me off what these bad boys in Beijing are doing for the rest of their fellow men

A

GrumpyEd

They use damage as a distraction so buyers don't look close at the carpy fake coins.

ModernDollarNut

You cent guys are all missing the point. This cent has a genuine hole drilled though it! Rob

frnklnlvr

I just received this email from the seller after I told them their coins were fake.

Dear bparrish0015,

Very nice. I'm a 74 year old widow; my husband and I owned a coin shop for over 40 years prior to his passing. He was a close personal friend of Wayne Miller. I'm sure there are quite a few of you who knew who my husband was. According to the ebay representatives that I dealt with regarding your emails to me, they stated that my listings were described accurately and that I should ignore any further harrassing messages. They were being sold as coin jewelry and were off a very old charm bracelet of an elderly customer of ours who is also in their 70's. I notice on your boards you do not mention that they are coin jewelry. I have, however, ended the listings because someone on your PCGS board knows who I am and called me and told me about the personal witch hunt that was being done and how one of you planned to purchase one of these and give me a negative to ruin my business. My husband would roll over in his grave. You people would be surprised to know who he was. Talking about a pot calling the kettle black. I have only, since his passing, purchased 3 counterfeit coins fraudulantly sold. One was a member of the PCGS coin forum. One was from one of the biggest powersellers on Ebay coin forgery board. THe level some people stoop to because they have nothing better to do in their lives, but at any opportunity, you'd sell an old woman a counterfeit coin. Everyone on that board should be ashamed of themselves except for the one gentleman who called me at my home.
Grandma

- bluejuno666

Res

I guess it should have been listed in the jewelry section.

zeebob

Well, there you have it. Anyone 74 must be honest.

Frankcoins

This is one of Ken Potter's brown toned reproductions. The word "copy" is stamped on the reverse where the two bottoms of the wheat stalks meet...and where the hole is...deliberate fraud.

AUandAG

<< <i>I guess it should have been listed in the jewelry section. >>



This is probably true, wrong catagory. However, it was listed in coins, cents, etc. So, even though
she said that they were ex jewelry she's indicating that they are the real deal. I doublt that her
husband would roll in his grave over this but would have probably described them as they are: fakes.

bob

ubercollector

I have only, since his passing, purchased 3 counterfeit coins fraudulantly sold. One was a member of the PCGS coin forum. One was from one of the biggest powersellers on Ebay coin forgery board.

I find it interesting that she claims to have purchased counterfeits. Which leads me to believe that she knows a counterfeit when she sees one or she may have someone to help her authenticate the coins she's purchased. So why doesn't she use this same skill or resource to authenticate the coins she sells?