Tom Brady 2000 SP Authentic
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Does anybody know why PSA 10 of Tom Brady SP Authentic go for much more then the BGS 9.5 version? Is it because of the pop report?
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Could be that there is a broader market for PSA over BGS, but I'm sure the POP and Registry does play a part too.
JMHO,
PoppaJ
<< <i>OOh wow!! a BGS 8.5 to a BGS 9.5. I think I understand now why PSA sells for more money. >>
Psst. Notice something funny about Brady's feet?
Without a doubt, that has to be one of the greatest hobby images out there!
/s/ JackWESQ
<< <i> Is it because of the pop report? >>
Yes
That is why the price is jacked up for 10s
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<< <i>OOh wow!! a BGS 8.5 to a BGS 9.5. I think I understand now why PSA sells for more money. >>
Psst. Notice something funny about Brady's feet? >>
They're attached to his ankles? I give.
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<< <i>OOh wow!! a BGS 8.5 to a BGS 9.5. I think I understand now why PSA sells for more money. >>
Psst. Notice something funny about Brady's feet? >>
They're attached to his ankles? I give. >>
Note that it's the same serial numbered card. And yet the 9.5 has just slightly less of Brady's foot there than the 8.5.
Make sense?
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<< <i>'Cause nobody trusts Beckett graded Bradys any more
whoa there, you might need to explain. We all know that BGS was MUCH harder on cards in 2000 and 2001 than they are today. They finally realized that people
don't come back to you to get their cards graded if you are killing their grades! Back in the day in 2001, that card WAS a BGS 8.5, which actually wasn't a
bad grade. Today it probably is a BGS 9.5
same card yes, but graded in different years and with different standards!
Kevin
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<< <i>cause the BGS BRADYS are all trimmed by BGS DUDE...well known >>
those scans that Brian posted is what caused my exodus of Beckett in mid 2000's....
those scans would have been deleted on the beckett board within the hour every time!
those scans are BGS's worst nightmare....that is when they started going downhill, catering to BRAD....
where is dizzle now, the resident "Beckett troll"
sure he will be here soon defending them.....
The PSA 10 Contenders already goes for more then the PSA 10 SP Authentic because those cards are so condition sensitive. I had to pay an arm and a leg for it last year (and he was hurt).
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<< <i>cause the BGS BRADYS are all trimmed by BGS DUDE...well known >>
those scans that Brian posted is what caused my exodus of Beckett in mid 2000's....
those scans would have been deleted on the beckett board within the hour every time!
those scans are BGS's worst nightmare....that is when they started going downhill, catering to BRAD....
where is dizzle now, the resident "Beckett troll"
sure he will be here soon defending them..... >>
I wasn't even gonna comment but since you brought my name up..
Yes that is pretty bad.. a card worth a couple grand and a image from a few years back that gets posted over and over and over and over and over on this site...
I have dozens of photos that are similiar myself too
How about this card that sold for $52,638.83 this year..
The bottom Left has a pretty nice haircut..
Here's a before and after shot
Here's a transparency overlay to show just how much was removed.
Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though..
<< <i>Nice knowing you, dizzle. >>
LOL
<< <i>Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though.. >>
I think that would be a good idea. But if the thread were indeed to go "poof", that would be quite the dictatorial act. I mean, isn't one of the points of this board to educate collectors/potential collectors? And whether PSA or BGS wants to admit it or not, card doctoring, trimming, etc., exists in the hobby ... prevalent or otherwise.
/s/ JackWESQ
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<< <i>Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though.. >>
I think that would be a good idea. But if the thread were indeed to go "poof", that would be quite the dictatorial act. I mean, isn't one of the points of this board to educate collectors/potential collectors? And whether PSA or BGS wants to admit it or not, card doctoring, trimming, etc., exists in the hobby ... prevalent or otherwise.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
True.. But SOME don't want to see or believe the problem exists with their grader of choice.
Hence the "good knowing you dizzle" and follow up LOL's
Like I said if I knew I would not get bammed or threads poofed I can share pictures and stories all day
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<< <i>Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though.. >>
I think that would be a good idea. But if the thread were indeed to go "poof", that would be quite the dictatorial act. I mean, isn't one of the points of this board to educate collectors/potential collectors? And whether PSA or BGS wants to admit it or not, card doctoring, trimming, etc., exists in the hobby ... prevalent or otherwise.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
True.. But SOME don't want to see or believe the problem exists with their grader of choice.
Hence the "good knowing you dizzle" and follow up LOL's
Like I said if I knew I would not get bammed or threads poofed I can share pictures and stories all day
There are plenty of other places (ie beckett) to post your conspiracies.
This is a private board and they have every right to thow out what they deem to be trash (regardless if it stinks or not).
If you don't like it, too freaking bad.
<< <i>Hello everybody,
I'd like to explain the Collectors Universe (PSA, PSA/DNA, PCGS, PSE) policy with regards to the message boards, bashing, censorship, etc.
We basically prefer an open forum where collectors and dealers can discuss any issue of interest, help one another, and learn from one another. We prefer not to censor the message boards. To that end, we allow negative comments about our company and in fact read them as a way of having customer feedback and gaining ideas about how to improve our services. There are two areas where the message board posts can cross the line and cause us to ban members and/or censor the posts. First, if the negative comments are mean spirited, obviously slanted, and seem to be the continual work of someone with a bashing agenda...we'll take action. Second, if someone flat out lies about our company...we'll take action. >>
Given as such, posting, or rather informing others, about trimmed, altered, etc., cards would surely fall within the parameters of this message board and not be subject to censorship. But what do I know?
/s/ JackWESQ
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<< <i>Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though.. >>
I think that would be a good idea. But if the thread were indeed to go "poof", that would be quite the dictatorial act. I mean, isn't one of the points of this board to educate collectors/potential collectors? And whether PSA or BGS wants to admit it or not, card doctoring, trimming, etc., exists in the hobby ... prevalent or otherwise.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
True.. But SOME don't want to see or believe the problem exists with their grader of choice.
Hence the "good knowing you dizzle" and follow up LOL's
Like I said if I knew I would not get bammed or threads poofed I can share pictures and stories all day
You're right. I have a file full of stuff that would make some folks eyes open around here, too. BGS is not the only one with problems. I have proof of that.
<< <i>You're right. I have a file full of stuff that would make some folks eyes open around here, too. BGS is not the only one with problems. I have proof of that.
Please share your "proof". In fact, I encourage you to include first hand commentary of your "file full of stuff".
Go ahead, we are eagerly awaiting...
<< <i>I have no need to serve you, tool bag.. I have saved copies of stuff for years, and have come to realize that BGS is not the only devil. ALL the grading companies have problems with trimmed cards getting through. Only a moron would believe differently. >>
Tool bag?
Is this the same whiney little baby who cries when someone calls him a name?
So not only are you a hypocrite but since you refuse to show the "proof" of your alleged "file full of stuff", you're a liar too.
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<< <i>I have no need to serve you, tool bag.. I have saved copies of stuff for years, and have come to realize that BGS is not the only devil. ALL the grading companies have problems with trimmed cards getting through. Only a moron would believe differently. >>
Tool bag?
Is this the same whiney little baby who cries when someone calls him a name?
So not only are you a hypocrite but since you refuse to show the "proof" of your alleged "file full of stuff", you're a liar too. >>
Yeah, that is what you are, because I know what your are trying to accomplish. I don't care who calls me names, as I have encountered far worse things in my life. Heck, little wimps like yourself probably couldn't handle half the stuff I have had to go through in my life, but anyway..
If I post what I have saved in my file, I would more than likely get banned from here, since it does not shed a good light on PSA. Surely, you can't be ignorant enough to believe BGS is the only one who has graded trimmed cards? If you do believe that, you truly are ignorant.
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<< <i>I have no need to serve you, tool bag.. I have saved copies of stuff for years, and have come to realize that BGS is not the only devil. ALL the grading companies have problems with trimmed cards getting through. Only a moron would believe differently. >>
Tool bag?
Is this the same whiney little baby who cries when someone calls him a name?
So not only are you a hypocrite but since you refuse to show the "proof" of your alleged "file full of stuff", you're a liar too. >>
Yeap, that is what you are, because I know what your are trying to accomplish. I don't care who calls me names, as I have encountered far worse things in my life. Heck, little wimps like yourself probably couldn't handle half the stuff I have had to go through in my life, but anyway..
If I post what I have saved in my file, I would more than likely get banned from here, since it does not shed a good light on PSA. Surely, you can't be ignorant enough to believe BGS is the only one who has graded trimmed cards? If you do believe that, you truly are ignorant. >>
Boy, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Have fun banging your head against the keyboard out of frustration.
To add; PSA, SGC, and BGS are good companies overall, and I like all 3 of them for grading, but I am no homer to any one particular company. They all have strong and weak points.
<< <i>A self-admitted trimmer that I know sends stuff to PSA on a weekly/monthly basis. He told me for $1000 he would show me how to get stuff past the graders. I know he sure does have a boatload of PSA 10's for sale at any given time. You claim I don't know what I am talking about, but I will say you truly are ignorant if you don't think trimming is a big problem for ALL of the big 3 grading companies. It's NOT just a BGS problem. It's a hobby problem for all of us.... >>
So tell us about how terrible your life has been and that "little wimps", like myself, can't handle half of it.
As a side note, when I get a hang nail, I just clip it. Don't act like it's the end of the world and whoa is me.
Go sit down with a 14-year old suffering from MS. Hang out with a 29-year old, who just had his second kid, but only has about a week to live. How about giving a hug to an 36-year old woman, that ALWAYS had a healthy lifestyle, but is about to have a breast augmentation.
You've lived a tough life?!?
Freaking little baby. Waaaaaah! Go put on your skirt and shut the heck up.
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<< <i>Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though.. >>
I think that would be a good idea. But if the thread were indeed to go "poof", that would be quite the dictatorial act. I mean, isn't one of the points of this board to educate collectors/potential collectors? And whether PSA or BGS wants to admit it or not, card doctoring, trimming, etc., exists in the hobby ... prevalent or otherwise.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
True.. But SOME don't want to see or believe the problem exists with their grader of choice.
Hence the "good knowing you dizzle" and follow up LOL's
Like I said if I knew I would not get bammed or threads poofed I can share pictures and stories all day
There are plenty of other places (ie beckett) to post your conspiracies.
This is a private board and they have every right to thow out what they deem to be trash (regardless if it stinks or not).
If you don't like it, too freaking bad. >>
First off Stown, I don't post "conspiracies" secondly I didn't say "I don't like it" I have no problems with the message board policies.. I guess if you don't like what I say "to freaking bad" I don't break any rules around here..
Anytime you're ready to point out where I spew conspiracy garbage I'd love to see it..
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<< <i>A self-admitted trimmer that I know sends stuff to PSA on a weekly/monthly basis. He told me for $1000 he would show me how to get stuff past the graders. I know he sure does have a boatload of PSA 10's for sale at any given time. You claim I don't know what I am talking about, but I will say you truly are ignorant if you don't think trimming is a big problem for ALL of the big 3 grading companies. It's NOT just a BGS problem. It's a hobby problem for all of us.... >>
So tell us about how terrible your life has been and that "little wimps", like myself, can't handle half of it.
As a side note, when I get a hang nail, I just clip it. Don't act like it's the end of the world and whoa is me.
Go sit down with a 14-year old suffering from MS. Hang out with a 29-year old, who just had his second kid, but only has about a week to live. How about giving a hug to an 36-year old woman, that ALWAYS had a healthy lifestyle, but is about to have a breast augmentation.
You've lived a tough life?!?
Freaking little baby. Waaaaaah! Go put on your skirt and shut the heck up. >>
Waaahhh... Oh yeah, you got it...
I'll put a skirt on the day you think you are man enough to make me put one on
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<< <i>Maybe we should start a thread with before and after photos of doctored cards I have dozens.. the thread might not last very long though.. >>
I think that would be a good idea. But if the thread were indeed to go "poof", that would be quite the dictatorial act. I mean, isn't one of the points of this board to educate collectors/potential collectors? And whether PSA or BGS wants to admit it or not, card doctoring, trimming, etc., exists in the hobby ... prevalent or otherwise.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
True.. But SOME don't want to see or believe the problem exists with their grader of choice.
Hence the "good knowing you dizzle" and follow up LOL's
Like I said if I knew I would not get bammed or threads poofed I can share pictures and stories all day
There are plenty of other places (ie beckett) to post your conspiracies.
This is a private board and they have every right to thow out what they deem to be trash (regardless if it stinks or not).
If you don't like it, too freaking bad. >>
First off Stown, I don't post "conspiracies" secondly I didn't say "I don't like it" I have no problems with the message board policies.. I guess if you don't like what I say "to freaking bad" I don't break any rules around here..
Anytime you're ready to point out where I spew conspiracy garbage I'd love to see it.. >>
Dizzle, I agree with you, but some folks sure do wear blinders when it comes to the issue of card trimming. That's unfortunate....
“We were aware of that when the card came to PSA,” he is quoted as saying in “The Card.” “This particular card was obviously cut…The card is so outstanding, it would have been sacreligious to call that card trimmed and completely devalue it.”>>
One of the most well known trimmed cards
* My comments in this thread are NOT a bash of PSA, this is a post explaining/educating card collectors that trimmed cards are a problem in our hobby, and it appears to be getting worse. There are trimming devices that can duplicate a vintage cut or modern cut to a card's edges, depending on what type/year of card that is to be trimmed( I will not disclose specifically what devices, since I do not want to encourage/educate new trimmers). I am not sure any of the grading companies can stop it entirely, to be quite honest about it. PSA, BGS, and SGC do a good job overall, but there are some trimmers who are very good at what they do, and that is where they have the upper hand on the card grading companies. If they can 100% replicate a factory cut, while keeping the card within the accurate/accepted factory measurements for grading, how can a 3rd party grader catch it? Think about it..