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Counterfeit 1871 Shallow N Indian Cent

EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
The 1871 Shallow N is a very scarce reverse type. Many may have never even see a real one in hand, so this fake will fool just about anyone!

1871 Shallow N on ebay

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By itself no one would have any problem with this coins authenticity. But once you compare it with this known one, it become very worrisome.

A known fake (scroll down to bottom of the page)

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Although one has a die break over the OF and the other doesn't, they are from the same obverse. See the mark on the neck on both! I don't think the reverse dies are the same.
Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:

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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Is the whole coin fake or did someone just mess with the N?
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1871's do come with Shallow N' s S-4 and S-5, but this is not one of them. It is die-struck from false transfer dies.
    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The seller is someone reputable from whom I have gotten decent coins in the past. You should probably email him & tell him about the fake.
  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Wow, that is a good fake.

    If it weren't for that characteristic gouge on the neck, it's a really good fake. I see a few other minor parallels between the two coins pictured.

    If I had just one coin and no way of knowing the die indicators:
    The only thing I could say is that the devices and lettering seem unusually deep. The "N" in cent might be shallow, but the rest of it looks deeper than usual.
    This coin would fool me good. I feel sick.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You should probably email him & tell him about the fake.

    I did.
    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • Nice work! The first thing I look at is the dentils, seems from what I've seen that many fakes can't quite get the dentils right. That second example seems like it would be very tricky to pick out as a fake.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    These guys are getting scary good. I"m going to have to get all mine slabbed if I ever sell my collection. I was planning on only slabbing the '77, but it looks like I won't want to sell the other 1866-1878 semi-keys raw, either...
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rick,
    Have these been around for a while, or is this something new out of China?

    That is a VERY scary fake, I never would have caught it....image
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    Do you think a TPG would catch on?
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Rick,
    Have these been around for a while, or is this something new out of China?

    That is a VERY scary fake, I never would have caught it....image >>



    If I remember correctly, these were known in the 1980s and in one of the 2 ANA counterfeit guide books.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The seller removed the listing.
    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • Egads, perhaps they modified the date of an 1877 with an original shallow N into an 1871; Now that is indeed TRICKY.

    Where is the best public display of a counterfeit (cent or otherwise) coin die collection?

    I've seen one or two at a time, but not a collection.

    That is something I would like to see.

    Similarly, how about a public display of a fourree collection?
    www.CoinMine.com

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