What does PCGS slabbed "Genuine" mean?
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does this mean the coin may have altered surfaces?
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<< <i>does this mean the coin may have altered surfaces? >>
For practical purposes, it means the coin is genuine but not problem free or market acceptable. Some altered surfaces are unacceptable while others, like chop marks, are acceptable.
-Paul
There are several reasons why a coin can get put into a 'Genuine' holder, of which altered surfaces is one. Cleaning is another. So is damage. The two numbers immediately after the period (.) in the serial number on the holder is a code for which particular sin the graders deemed most offensive. For an explanation of what those code numbers mean scroll down to the middle of this page.
<< <i>Up until recently they were bodybagged (not put into holders) and returned to the person who submitted them in plastic flips. Going into a 'Genuine' holder is a good thing, because at least PCGS believes the coin is real rather than a counterfeit. >>
In addition to PCGS believing the coin is genuine, the coin qualifies for the PCGS Guarantee:
<< <i>Genuine Coins All coins encapsulated by PCGS are guaranteed to be Genuine. PCGS will now encapsulate some problem coins as 'Genuine' without grading them. These coins are labeled 'Genuine not Gradable'. >>
No Grade Description
82 Filed Rims
83 Peeling Lamination
84 Holed and Plugged
90 Not Genuine
91 Questionable Color
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
99 PVC Residue
<< <i>Lets just say it's like ANACS or NCS net grade slabs without throwing the issue in your face.
No Grade Description
82 Filed Rims
83 Peeling Lamination
84 Holed and Plugged
90 Not Genuine
91 Questionable Color
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
99 PVC Residue >>
I think you mean "details" grade. Generally they don't net grade. --Jerry
<< <i>Genuine, but not gradable because of a problem >>
mine came back 91-questionable color
this was in a type set album for close to 2 years what do you think?
the_northern_trading_company
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<< <i>Lets just say it's like ANACS or NCS net grade slabs without throwing the issue in your face.
No Grade Description
82 Filed Rims
83 Peeling Lamination
84 Holed and Plugged
90 Not Genuine
91 Questionable Color
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
99 PVC Residue >>
I think you mean "details" grade. Generally they don't net grade. --Jerry >>
#83 Peeling lamination will not be accepted in a genuine holder, I learned that one the hard way. There is another number that also still gets bodybagged, but I can't recall which number it is. I think it is #93 planchet flaw, but don't hold me to that.
HOWEVER, by PCGS standards (at that given time), for reasons given by numerical code, the item
is NOT "gradeable"!
<< <i>does this mean the coin may have altered surfaces? >>
The fact that people are asking questions such as this indicates that many people are confused as to what is going on with these genuine holders and that PCGS should start indicating the problem on the label.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'm waiting to see the first Code 90 coin in a "Genuine" holder.
<< <i>What does PCGS slabbed "Genuine" mean? >>
it means, crack out & try again
K S
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<< <i>Lets just say it's like ANACS or NCS net grade slabs without throwing the issue in your face.
No Grade Description
82 Filed Rims
83 Peeling Lamination
84 Holed and Plugged
90 Not Genuine
91 Questionable Color
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
99 PVC Residue >>
I think you mean "details" grade. Generally they don't net grade. --Jerry >>
#83 Peeling lamination will not be accepted in a genuine holder, I learned that one the hard way. There is another number that also still gets bodybagged, but I can't recall which number it is. I think it is #93 planchet flaw, but don't hold me to that. >>
I would think a 99 wouldn't get into a genuine holder
<< <i>If PCGS had taken the "high road" they would have printed the reason the coin was not graded right on the face of the slab. As it is, they use numeric codes (as noted above) that folks have to memorize or translate using their "Secret Code Decoder Ring."
I'm waiting to see the first Code 90 coin in a "Genuine" holder. >>
that would cause the world to explode
<< <i>If PCGS had taken the "high road" they would have printed the reason the coin was not graded right on the face of the slab. As it is, they use numeric codes (as noted above) that folks have to memorize or translate using their "Secret Code Decoder Ring."
I'm waiting to see the first Code 90 coin in a "Genuine" holder. >>
The coding isn't obvious to me at all. I am sort of a newb to coin collecting, but I think it should be clearer, you shouldn't have to be an expert to understand the slab markings. Without this thread, I would have no idea how to figure out the code. Even when somebody said '91' it wasn't obvious. If the slab said 'Impairment code 91' on it, it would be easy for someone to figure out to google that, and they would learn what it meant, but with this design you have to know where to look, and even that you can look.
It means that you have the absolutely positively authentic indisputable legitimate real McCoy there boy!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>What does PCGS slabbed "Genuine" mean?
It means that you have the absolutely positively authentic indisputable legitimate real McCoy there boy! >>
It also means that there are problems with the coin that keeps it from being graded.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
If it is early copper, it means you better check that it is actually OK and crack it out in any case.
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<< <i>Genuine, but not gradable because of a problem >>
mine came back 91-questionable color
this was in a type set album for close to 2 years what do you think?
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I think they took your money.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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<< <i>What does PCGS slabbed "Genuine" mean?
It means that you have the absolutely positively authentic indisputable legitimate real McCoy there boy! >>
It also means that there are problems with the coin that keeps it from being graded. >>
They don't say the coin was graded when they holder a coin as genuine.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
I have a 1976 Ike dollar..40 percent silver and does not have the S mint mark. it came back from PCGS as GENUINE Damage and surface smoothing. Does that mean the Mint mark may have been grinded/smoothed off?
Possibly...do you an image?
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Here's the original thread with pics.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1103198/need-help-identifying-an-ike-dollar#latest
Spot on! I’ve never understood the reason not to? Except maybe that dealers prefer it this way? I’d wager they have a (the most-??) powerful say in the matter.
I can’t see how the costs would be prohibitive to our benevolent host? Communication a key to success after all….
Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.
Now we know it isn't counterfeit!
Many sellers on eBay either do not understand, or pretend that they don’t understand what genuine damaged entails.
They should have stuck with the body bags imo.