Help with GAI vs. PSA

mexpo75

Hi all you wise people out there. I wanted some help. My question is how much lower, if at all, would a GAI card be graded if it was sent in to PSA for a crossover? The card is a GAI 8.5 and really do not want to crack it out. Thanks in advance for the help.

ElToroLoco

Once you crack it and send it in, the card grade is based on PSA standards....if there was no damage once removed and into the hands of the PSA grader, I'd estimate...PSA5 to PSA9....I know that's not what you are looking for...PSA standards are slightly better...

mexpo75

But what if I do not want to crack it out. I think I would rather have a GAI 8.5 over a PSA 5, no?

Carew29

Good question.....PSA still in business.....GAI fire sale coming soon......hmmmmmmmmmm

lsutigers1973

A GAI 8.5 will soon be worthless IMO and close to being on the same level as BCCG.

WinPitcher

Mex

There is no way to answer your question, cards are not stocks all are different.

Sorry but without seeing what specific card you are talking about how
could anyone answer you?




Steve

Blackborder

Steve's right, what's the specific card.

italianstallionyankees

If buying Gai cards stick with the 1st generation legacy flips those are the silver shiny metallic looking flips. As for Gai it is gone for a good reason! As for the New Global authentication it is considered lower in ranking than Bccg more to the same level as Pro or Gem . I sent two separate orders of 6 cards to be graded and slabbed to Global authentication back in late December, supposedly a free 6 cards grading..... for anyone who purchased the Garbage retail boxes at Wal-mart and entered the serial number on the back. It showed up as a free service at the 20 day service level to new premier members and as of today they want me to pay them $5 a card and $20 shipping plus $6 insurance
Totally false advertisement and Bullcrapola Imo. No response to e-mails at all.. Also the website has said the same thing for over 6 months but recently changed the offer special hmm......??? :0 F-

earlycalguy

I"d be more worried about the card being trimmed then whether it is a psa 5,6,7, or 8.

Brian48

My experience with GAI has been limited, but it's all been good. This is one of the better ones.

italianstallionyankees

Brian48 Was that a crack resub or straight cross? Did Psa give you the flip back?
Great job
Ryan

B21

leadoff4

B21, are these the same cards just in different slabs? I just see differences in the cards unless it's something on the scanner.

toothshucker

Cross grading in my experience has been tough to predict. Some collectors feel cracking and resubmitting yields the best results when compared to straight crossovers. I've dabbled in very "selective" crossgrading over ~ six years, trying to keep to high end examples. My results...

1960 SGC 96 Yaz rookie > Evidence recoloring PSA > BVG 7.5 (Atlantic City National- 2004, advent of PSA crossgrading), not cracked (What was I thinking??)
1977 BVG 8.5 Carew > PSA 9, cracked
1977 BVG 8.5 Seaver > PSA 9, cracked
1970 BVG 8.5 Carew > PSA 8 > GAI 8.5, cracked
1972 PSA 8 Munson > BVG 8.5 > GAI 8.5, cracked
1974 PSA 8 Nolan Ryan > GAI 8.5 cracked
1971 Munson PSA Altered > SGC 92

All the grading companies have slight differences in what they deem important when grading. I also believe they have probably all graded "altered" cards as well - so no one is immune to card doctors.
My experience with GAI has been selective again, but I've not been burned. I have found them to be quite accurate & consistent. Can't comment on others experiences though. PSA can be frustrating at times(with qualifiers, diamond cuts, color, & sometimes corner wear) in there grading, as well as, quality variations between cards graded mint 9. But overall looking back over the hundreds of graded cards I have- PSA is really very consistent. BVG are tough graders but a 9 ALWAYS looks like high end PSA 9 although they grade sheet cut cards (but are very very tough on them)

So those are my experiences. Overall would probably crack before resubmitting. Pete

Garabaldi

It is such a crap shoot to try a crossover

italianstallionyankees

As I like the concept of cracking and re-subbing for the best results. I also hate the ones that do and forget to send the flips back in to each grading company . 15+ flips can fit nicely in a little baggie for a cost of a postage stamp Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings..


I think that you did well on your submissions and cross grades. I feel that you should check the Rizzuto to see if it has a surface wrinkle use a good 12x loupe, if it doesn't crack and re-sub for sure. The card is off top bottom but imo it should have at least been a Psa 6 or better. Left of Rizzuto's hat seems like a white snow dot and right seems like a small crinkle.... could be your scanner though.

Ryan

italianstallionyankees

<< <i>Cross grading in my experience has been tough to predict. Some collectors feel cracking and resubmitting yields the best results when compared to straight crossovers. I've dabbled in very "selective" crossgrading over ~ six years, trying to keep to high end examples. My results...

1960 SGC 96 Yaz rookie > Evidence recoloring PSA > BVG 7.5 (Atlantic City National- 2004, advent of PSA crossgrading), not cracked (What was I thinking??)
1977 BVG 8.5 Carew > PSA 9, cracked
1977 BVG 8.5 Seaver > PSA 9, cracked
1970 BVG 8.5 Carew > PSA 8 > GAI 8.5, cracked
1972 PSA 8 Munson > BVG 8.5 > GAI 8.5, cracked
1974 PSA 8 Nolan Ryan > GAI 8.5 cracked
1971 Munson PSA Altered > SGC 92

All the grading companies have slight differences in what they deem important when grading. I also believe they have probably all graded "altered" cards as well - so no one is immune to card doctors.
My experience with GAI has been selective again, but I've not been burned. I have found them to be quite accurate & consistent. Can't comment on others experiences though. PSA can be frustrating at times(with qualifiers, diamond cuts, color, & sometimes corner wear) in there grading, as well as, quality variations between cards graded mint 9. But overall looking back over the hundreds of graded cards I have- PSA is really very consistent. BVG are tough graders but a 9 ALWAYS looks like high end PSA 9 although they
grade sheet cut cards (but are very very tough on them)

So those are my experiences. Overall would probably crack before resubmitting. Pete >>




Hi, Pete. Bvg is very tough on pre 1980's cards for sure! As for the Yaz Rc Sgc 96 is the card still in a Bvg 7.5 slab? Any plans on getting it in a Psa slab?

toothshucker

Stallion, When that hole thing went down at the National I was pissed/confused at all the companies. I left the graded card market for about 3 years vowing not to come back. But I obviously did with the understanding that sometimes crossgrading is a game between companies. I think I was burned by the/at the onset of PSA crossgrading services. Maybe they were not as sure of themselves and wanted/needed to make a point. Not sure though. Sold the best BVG 7.5 Yaz rookie in existence back at around that time. Pete

italianstallionyankees

Sad story my friend Imo I would have kept the card the way it was in the holder.... Can't look back though . The card could still be a Bvg 7.5 still awaiting a Psa holder?

Ryan

RipublicaninMass

<< <i>As I like the concept of cracking and re-subbing for the best results. I also hate the ones that do and forget to send the flips back in to each grading company . 15+ flips can fit nicely in a little baggie for a cost of a postage stamp Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings..


Ryan >>



Sure PAY ME or DISCOUNT a submission to accurately help the population report (as some companies used to) and I will be happy to! But when I need to pay shipping both ways for mechanical errors, and so forth...I think not. I'd rather cover my bed with them and sleep on them every night.

bking

<< <i>B21, are these the same cards just in different slabs? I just see differences in the cards unless it's something on the scanner. >>



That WAS nice of PSA to touch up the color on those while they were at it.

fiveniner

I once Cracked a GAI 7 Drysdale and recieved a PSA 8 when I submitted it.However that was back when GAI had a bit more integrity.As far as I am concerened they no longer exist.

Blacklabelsociety

<< <i>Hi all you wise people out there. I wanted some help. My question is how much lower, if at all, would a GAI card be graded if it was sent in to PSA for a crossover? The card is a GAI 8.5 and really do not want to crack it out. Thanks in advance for the help. >>



I wouldnt waste money on crossovers. You need to crack and sub but like before mention, its a crap shoot. This is no joke, i know someone who cracked a 1960 psa 9 mays to gai and came back EOT.

thenavarro

I don't think there is a general rule. For that matter, you can "cross" PSA to PSA, and might not even get within 1 grade either direction of what you had. All based on the interpretation of whatever grader you get on any given day. That subjectivity is one of the things that makes the graded card market so much fun to watch and play in.

Mike

Griffins

you've got to crack it, way too much prejudice.
It will come back anywhere from 5 to a 9. And if it comes back a 5, crack it and it could come back anywhere from 5 to a 9 the next time.
Roll the dice, never the same twice.

B21

Same exact cards. Removed from GAI slabs and submitted to PSA as raw items. I did several SGC items the same way (SGC to PSA),with some surprising results. All items were '52 Bowman baseball.

Brian48

<< <i>Brian48 Was that a crack resub or straight cross? Did Psa give you the flip back?
Great job
Ryan >>



That was a crack resub.