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RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
If Coin A (from Dealer B image ) is a 55:

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how would you grade Coin B:

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can we first see Coin B's photo taken by Mike Printz? Is it really that washed out in real life?
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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The differences in the photos make any comparison difficult, but I could see coin B in any holder between 50 and 55, depending on factors that can't be determined from the picture. The picture of coin A is much more useful for the purpose of estimating a grade, IMO; admittedly I know squat or less about branch mint gold, but it seems to me that coin is excellent for its assigned grade, and were it not for the weakness in the center of the reverse it probably ought to grade 58. The luster on the obverse devices would seem acceptable at that grade to me.

    One thing I'm certain of -- I don't like the big hit on coin B's face.

    I bet you're going to announce coin B is certified as a 58. Right?
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF45? Detail is better in coin A (with some exceptions, like LIBERTY). Coin B has some distracting hits in unfortunate places. Coin A has better eye appeal. Of course coin A's photos are much nicer too, so maybe that's influencing me.
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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    about the same
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the finest known (it's in a 62 holder):

    imageimage
  • As you present them < A. image
  • The two pics are too different for me to draw any conclusions.
  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    I need to see both in hand to see the luster and get a reliable conclusion.

    Dennis
  • looks like the same coin to me
  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the images, if Coin A is AU55, then coin B is AU53 at best.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin B is in an NGC AU-58 holder and sold for $4600 two days after I purchased Coin A for considerably more. And I would do it again. image

    For southern gold, I have seen a wide range of coins in NGC AU-58 holders, many of which were no better than 55 at PCGS (and I have submitting experience which backs this up), and many were dipped out coins that were not worthy of consideration for anyone who even considers even an iota of originality in their purchasing decisions.

    Perhaps we have reached the point where the TPG grade does not matter very much, as the price and grade for Coin B have significantly decoupled. People are buying the coin, not the holder.


  • << <i>Perhaps we have reached the point where the TPG grade does not matter very much >>



    It certainly seems to matter less than it did a year or two ago.
  • hammered54hammered54 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭
    coin A is AU something, coin B is not AU anything.
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  • dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im not that great at grading gold, but I would have to say that the hit on Liberty's jaw/cheek and the reverse rim problems would take it down to about AU50. Coin A is definitely higher grade.
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    ........coin b has less wear but more hits and less luster. i'd pass on both, myself.image
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  • hammered54hammered54 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭


    << <i>........coin b has less wear but more hits and less luster. i'd pass on both, myself.image >>



    I agree that B is a better strike.... but I would look again at the rev....... there seem's to be quite a bit of "rub" on that bird.
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For southern gold, I have seen a wide range of coins in NGC AU-58 holders, many of which were no better than 55 at PCGS (and I have submitting experience which backs this up), and many were dipped out coins that were not worthy of consideration for anyone who even considers even an iota of originality in their purchasing decisions.

    Perhaps we have reached the point where the TPG grade does not matter very much, as the price and grade for Coin B have significantly decoupled. People are buying the coin, not the holder. >>


    In my experience, overgraded AU gold in NGC holders is not limited to the southern mints. It may be true
    for MS pieces as well, but I don't play in that sandbox so much...
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    I disagree with the premise. To me, neither coin is "AU-anything" -- both are EF.
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    << <i>I disagree with the premise. To me, neither coin is "AU-anything" -- both are EF. >>


    Wouldn't that just be striking weakness?
  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    Very strange color on coin B. Looks washed out. XF40 cleaned?
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Already ignored the strike - that's a common characteristic of this date/mint.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like coin A and 55 seems to be an appropriate grade. While the image of coin B is not much short of a complete train wreck, I fail to see a 58 grade with that coin. I am trying to get past the poor image before I am overly critical of the grade.image

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin A is far superior judging solely from the images. So if they are accurate, you did well for yourself, as long as YOU are happy with your purchase...
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>........coin b has less wear but more hits and less luster. i'd pass on both, myself.image >>



    I agree that B is a better strike.... but I would look again at the rev....... there seem's to be quite a bit of "rub" on that bird. >>




    ............that's one reason i would pass.image
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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Big hit on the cheek. Just a tad under 55.

    image



    To give an honest, accurate answer, the pictures simply must be taken under similar lighting conditions.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin B (presumably from Dealer A?) looks to have better details than coin A almost everywhere that I can make such a comparison, but is probably still AU.
  • Coin B looks like a 58. Coin A probably sold for more money though.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU53. I don't like the big whack (and apparent loss of metal) on the jaw on coin B.
    When in doubt, don't.

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