Moonlight Mint Hard Times tokens

dsessom

A few days ago, I received my Hard Times token from the Moonlight Mint, made by Daniel Carr. I really love his work, and the coin is awesome.

I am just wondering if anyone knows for sure if NGC will holder them? I know PCGS won't holder anything not made by the Mint, but NGC does say on thier site that they grade and encapsule "Early American, Hard Times, Merchant and Trade Tokens" but I'm not sure if that would include modern ones not minted by the US Mint as well.

Anyone know for sure?

Here's the one I want to have encapsulated..

zeebob

I'd ask NGC.

BTW: If you get an answer, let me know. I bought 12 of these From Daniel and would like to have them stuck in TPG plastic.

commoncents05

If NGC won't, ICG definitely will.

-Paul

pakasmom

I received mine from Moonlight Mint, yesterday. Larger than I thought it would be, so I get to keep it instead of giving it to the hubby for a ball mark. It's beautiful!
Anyone know the significance of the the flying monkey and flying pig?

zeebob

<< <i>I received mine from Moonlight Mint, yesterday. Larger than I thought it would be, so I get to keep it instead of giving it to the hubby for a ball mark. It's beautiful!
Anyone know the significance of the the flying monkey and flying pig? >>



DCarr Wrote:
The flying monkey is symbolic of the distraction technique used by some to divert attention from the real souce (cuplrit) of the problem. "Woo, look at the flying monkey !" - big bad oil companies, greedy speculators, etc. etc. Nobody notices the "man behind the curtain" - the Federal Reserve which is really the culprit here and has as it's perpetual main focus the maximization of the collection of interest payments in all forms. The flying pig is symbolic of the chances that this will end well - "when pigs fly".

You can find his comments near the bottom of this Hardtimes Token Thread.

coinman420

i wish PCGS would grade/slab these. especially since the Chinese started counterfeiting Daniel`s work.

zeebob

Me too. PCGS - you listening? Come on fellas, slab Mr. Carr's work eh?

Whitby

Dcarr-

Didnt IGC slab your SAC prototypes? I bought a few of them through your site and they came IGC slabbed.

edix2001

<< <i>Dcarr-

Didnt IGC slab your SAC prototypes? I bought a few of them through your site and they came IGC slabbed. >>



The ICG slabbed items on his site seem all sold out for now

zeebob

Just got this email from NGC.

Hi Mr. <snip>

Thank you for contacting NGC. We do not grade contemporary medals struck by private mints unless they are made under sovereign authority. Unfortunately, these pieces are not eligible for certification at this time.

Regards,

Scott Schechter
Vice President
Sales and Marketing Certified Collectibles Group NGC, CGC, PMG and NCS
www.collectiblesgroup.com

dcarr

<< <i>Just got this email from NGC.

Hi Mr. <snip>

Thank you for contacting NGC. We do not grade contemporary medals struck by private mints unless they are made under sovereign authority. Unfortunately, these pieces are not eligible for certification at this time.

Regards,

Scott Schechter
Vice President
Sales and Marketing Certified Collectibles Group NGC, CGC, PMG and NCS
www.collectiblesgroup.com >>



PCGS has slabbed modern privately-minted items:


At one time, I had several of my concept dollars certified by ICG. At the time, it was done by the folks who are now at ANACS. ANACS will certify certain modern privately-minted so-called-dollars, bullion pieces, tokens, medals, etc. I am going to talk to them about certifying a batch of my Grabener Coin Press medals:

dsessom

I just got the same respose back. I'm sorry, but that's just pure B.S.! Daniel Carr is a well known designer/engraver that has even been commissioned by the US Mint for his designs. What is the problem with authenticating and encasing his work (Especially now that it's being copied by the Chinese!!!)

I think we should petition PCGS, NGC and IGC to at LEAST put them in "AUTHENTIC" slabs to protect them!

Anyone else feel the same way?

Mr Carr - if you have any success with any TGP's please let me know. I do love your work!

zeebob

Here, here. A petition. Maybe you can start a thread that is a poll.

PCGS should:

1 - slab Moonlight Mint material
2 - NOT slab Moonlight Mint material
3 - don't care just show me the results

I'll vote to slab.

edix2001

Maybe PCGS would "sample slab" your medals, like they did for FASTCOIN.com:

dcarr

Or I could start my own slabbing company

Whitby

<< <i>Just got this email from NGC.

Hi Mr. <snip>

Thank you for contacting NGC. We do not grade contemporary medals struck by private mints unless they are made under sovereign authority. Unfortunately, these pieces are not eligible for certification at this time.

Regards,

Scott Schechter
Vice President
Sales and Marketing Certified Collectibles Group NGC, CGC, PMG and NCS
www.collectiblesgroup.com >>



Hmmm....NGC also stated ththey would NOT slab coal scrip.......BUT PCGS does slab SCD.....what gives?

Whitby

<< <i>Or I could start my own slabbing company >>



Anyway you slice it, you have great material and IMO, its wrong to NOT have NGC or PCGS not slab them. ESPECIALLY, if some of the SCD make it. This is just plain wrong.

edix2001

<< <i>Or I could start my own slabbing company >>



One of the members of my coin club is starting his own slabbing company. He told me he's going to have slabs injected with inert gas or something. It won't be a TPG, just something with his company name.

Zoins

<< <i>Just got this email from NGC.

Hi Mr. <snip>

Thank you for contacting NGC. We do not grade contemporary medals struck by private mints unless they are made under sovereign authority. Unfortunately, these pieces are not eligible for certification at this time.

Regards,

Scott Schechter
Vice President
Sales and Marketing Certified Collectibles Group NGC, CGC, PMG and NCS
www.collectiblesgroup.com >>



PCGS has slabbed modern privately-minted items:


Those appear to be all slabbed in one large deal like the 9/11 pieces. It may be possible to get a deal like that by providing a number of similar pieces in one large order.