Who can spot the problem with this "original" 1952 Dodgers Puzzle

jasoneggert

You have to look at the pictures very closely, but can you spot why this puzzle is not an original puzzle from 1952 like he says it is?

ebay link

drewsef

other puzzles available: 1954 NY Giants

Kid4hof03

One reason is that they also have a 1954 team puzzle listed on the box. Another is that there is a zip code on the company address, they didn't begin until 1963.

jasoneggert

<< <i>One reason is that they also have a 1954 team puzzle listed on the box. Another is that there is a zip code on the company address, they didn't begin until 1963. >>



Wow! great observation, I did not know that about zip codes.

stown

<< <i>A quick added note, I just got off the phone with the Baseball hall of Fame Museum and the Brooklyn museum neither one of them have this item, not did they know of any of these still existed and are also very interested in this item.. >>



: coughbullpoopoocough :

jrinck

The fact that is says "Collectors Series" means it's probably mid-'80s, but the font style could mean mid to late '90s.

In any event, it was probably made in China, which means they made a million of them, and thus they're worthless.

jeffcbay

"A quick added note, I just got off the phone with the Baseball hall of Fame Museum and the Brooklyn museum neither one of them have this item, not did they know of any of these still existed and are also very interested in this item."

classic...

billwaltonsbeard

I prefer the 1988 Donruss Stan Musial puzzle.

jasoneggert

The puzzle was made by TCMA, does anyone know when they started making stuff? Not until the 70's right?

bhelser

I asked about the 1954 Giants


The response:

Hi there I just had my parents take this piece to a memorbila appraiser, they told them its value would be any where from 800.00 to 1500.00 And yes i do know that the side states that but no where on this box is there another date, mind you I am not a pro and I have to go but what the people I bought it off from and what I did speak with the Baseball hall of fame curator, and the President of the Brooklyn Museum for Brooklyn history, as I stated in the write up both did want this peice and stated they didnt know any more were even out there. and neither one has this. They recommended that i go to an antique autioner house and have them sell it, but i said nah.. to mush trouble put it on ebay and see what happens i guess thanks Dee

WinPitcher

If it was made in the 80's wouldn't it have a UPC on it? I think it was made in the 70's myself.

It sure as hell ain't from 1952 and it ain't worth 500.00 dollars either.

Steve

lsutigers1973

I believe it was 1976. Time to start harrassing the seller.

bcwcardz

he was smart in his description never saying it was from the year 1952.He just said its a puzzle OF the 1952 dodgers.Sneaky

WinPitcher

Mike Aronstein (TCMA) and his partner (TC) name evades, me were big in the hobby in the mid to late 70's.

I'm thinking the piece dates to around 1978. They created a lot of HOF sets and then in the 80's started doing minor leaguers.

Many of their sets can be found today, That puzzle IMO is a 20.00 Item if that

Dee is FOS.

Steve

bman90278

I just filed a report with ebay using the statements you all made. I'm sure a few more reports wouldn't hurt.

brian

stevek

I just offered him $5,000 - I felt $700 wasn't enough..."to be honest"

TheTalkingWalnut

Is it because it lists the date of birth and death of each player? i.e. Joe Shlabotnik (1922 - 1991)

milbroco

Note her ID evldee as in Evil Dee........

Also note how she said there are scans of all four sides of the box. I thought boxes had six sides. I would like to see what is on the two missing sides. Maybe a 1980 copyright date?

bman90278

Ok, I just sent the seller this note,

Hi, I really don't feel right buying this puzzle for under $1500 as I've only seen a few of them in my life. Your puzzle belongs on display where fans can see it. If you would like, I can call my uncle who is very good friends with the MLB HOF and I'm sure they would give your original asking price and gladly display it. If I were you, I would donate it and your name will be on display as well.

Regards,
brian

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

This was posted on Jan. 12th. on a Dodger website.-

"1952 original Brooklyn Dodgers picture puzzle - 12 Jan 2009
I have a 1952 unopened still in plastic wrapper as well, Brooklyn Dodgers black and white team photo puzzle. I dont know how many were made but googling it there are none for sale. This is for the serious collector. It lists the players (including Gil Hodges, Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Billy Cox, etc.), the coaches and a team history on the sides of the box. It's their World Series photo. Email me if interested. Thanks, Dee.
Dee Larochelle evldee_larochelle@yahoo.com "

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They ran it on ebay and it ended Jan 17th. $2000 was too much I guess.

So.....they will sell $10 shirts but dont want to mess with selling this to the HOF. lol yeah right.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

<< <i>The puzzle was made by TCMA, does anyone know when they started making stuff? Not until the 70's right? >>



They made minor league and reprints 1st in 1972 (from my quick searches)

edited to add- so the HOF would want a unlicensed puzzle. ? yeah.

bman90278

I got a note back from my reply,



<< <i>Dear brian,

Hi there, thanks for your thoughts everybody and everyone has there comments I have had offers from Cali. to florida and yet no one actually bids if you want this take it its cheap enough right now.. thanks Dee >>

markj111

I found this in a Google search:

1952 original Brooklyn Dodgers picture puzzle - 12 Jan 2009

I have a 1952 unopened still in plastic wrapper as well, Brooklyn Dodgers black and white team photo puzzle. I dont know how many were made but googling it there are none for sale. This is for the serious collector. It lists the players (including Gil Hodges, Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Billy Cox, etc.), the coaches and a team history on the sides of the box. It's their World Series photo. Email me if interested. Thanks, Dee.
Dee Larochelle evldee_larochelle@yahoo.com

OOPS-I see that someone has already posted this. I found one on a recent Hall's auction with a minimum bid of $20, but I do not know what it sold for.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

<< <i>I found this in a Google search:

1952 original Brooklyn Dodgers picture puzzle - 12 Jan 2009

I have a 1952 unopened still in plastic wrapper as well, Brooklyn Dodgers black and white team photo puzzle. I dont know how many were made but googling it there are none for sale. This is for the serious collector. It lists the players (including Gil Hodges, Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Billy Cox, etc.), the coaches and a team history on the sides of the box. It's their World Series photo. Email me if interested. Thanks, Dee.
Dee Larochelle evldee_larochelle@yahoo.com >>



yep. See my reply on page one about their ad/post.

I just messaged them about the HOF wanting a unlicensed puzzle. And it's ago being older than 1971.

Brick

Is it because it lists the date of birth and death of each player? i.e. Joe Shlabotnik (1922 - 1991)

I did not know Joe had passed. Has anyone told Charles?

CDsNuts

I see the problem. It's....... NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!!

bman90278

TheTalkingWalnut

According to Ken Burns, Shlabotnik was one of the many former major league players to have developed unusual horseshoe shaped ridges on his skull, which were discovered during the autopsy. It is unknown what extent these ridges played in his demise.

Strangely enough, in December 2008, after learning of Shlabotnik's career stats including a .220 BA; 16 RBI in 1,322 games played and NO extra base hits in a 17 year major league career, Brian Cashman offered the deceased Shlabotnik a two year deal as a backup to Robinson Cano at $2.1 million per year.

jimq112

columbia city has several tcma team puzzles including the other ones mentioned on the ebay box. They're 1974, CC has them for sale mostly for around $100

AUPT

FWIW . . . the TC of TCMA was Tom Collier.

bcwcardz

what does this joker say when confronted with the facts?

Ironmanfan

<< <i>what does this joker say when confronted with the facts? >>



i learned a long time ago to never let the truth get in the way of a good story

WinPitcher

I think the joker finally understood that she did not have an original 1952 puzzle and
ended the auction.

Not that an original 1952 Puzzle would have been worth the moon money she was asking for anyway.

She and he hubby decided to go ice fishing instead of fishing on ebay.

Steve

rube26105

i wish i had a 1990 clear perfect shink wrapped 1952 puzzle