strange no number error for Brett Favre 1991 Score series 2

jswieton

I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this error card. I pulled three Favre’s rc out of a box of 91 Score series 2. The problem is that only two of the cards have numbers on the back and the third one is missing his number. Can someone tell me a little bit more about the numberless card? How rare are they and how much more they cost.

I wasn’t even aware of the variation until I was looking at them under a Lupe to see which one was the better card for sending in to sub. I am hoping that the numberless Favre is pretty rare but I could be pretty mistaken too. If anyone could help and inform me about the car it would be greatly appreciate it. And befor anyone asks, yest these all came out of the same box too.

jswieton

I am not sure why the collor apears different on the back of the one without the numbers bcause it looks fine when you view them all next to each other live. Any help would be appreciated.

jeffcbay

You have the middle cards setting on top of the other two cards in the scan, making it darker than the other two.

Barfvader

Here's you answer.

Brett Favre Counterfeit Alert

A “no number” version of the 1991 Score Brett Favre rookie card is circulating through the hobby that is actually counterfeit.

EAsports

I asked in your other thread, and I'll ask again here....

How did that counterfeit card end up in your sealed box?

The card is pretty obviously a counterfeit. If you look at the black lines to the right and above the picture, they're thicker than the real card. The white around the logo is a little bigger and the "o" in Score hangs down just a hair.

So, did Steve over at BBCE open one of the little plastic baggy packs that '91 Score cards come in, slip the counterfeit card in, and reseal the box...


Ooooooooor.....


Are you trying to present this card as legitimate (for whatever reason?)

I'll hang up and listen.

nam812

If the OP comes on here saying "good catch guys, it was a joke" I will have to call BS because if it was meant as a joke he would have just let it be discussed in his rip thread, not take the time to start a new thread just for the "card."

IJustLoveCards

That did not come out of an unopened box....there I said it!

bman90278

<< <i>You have the middle cards setting on top of the other two cards in the scan, making it darker than the other two. >>



Great observation. In the future do not scan so many cards when they are in the holders as it does cause the other cards to look darker like jeff said.

billwaltonsbeard

I dont know much about counterfeiting, but I'm sure it must involve lots of time, and even with all the technology, a large amount of money.

So, why the hell would someone counterfeit a card that wouldn't sell for more than $4-5?

cwazzy

<< <i>I dont know much about counterfeiting, but I'm sure it must involve lots of time, and even with all the technology, a large amount of money.

So, why the hell would someone counterfeit a card that wouldn't sell for more than $4-5? >>



If it's a tough variation of the rookie of a future HOFer I would think it would sell for much more than $4-$5. They aren't counterfeiting the numbered card, they are creating a "variation" of the real card in the hopes of selling a card for a couple hundred dollars. And even if you can only get $4-$5 out of them if you sell enough you can still make good money even if it costs a large amount to produce the first card. After you have the process down and the materials I would imagine producing the cards would cost pennies.

Chris

dizzle

Before I even clicked the thread I knew you would have a counterfeit card posted claiming you pulled it from a pack..

This is not the first time you have done this either...

How do you keep pulling counterfeits out of packs??

Pretty strange if you ask me..

Counterfeit Aikman from pack

CDsNuts

Sweet pull!!!!

BunchOBull

You must have purchased a lot of counterfeit flea market cards as a kid?

You may consider purchasing a stamp (and permanent ink) that says "COUNTERFEIT" to stamp these with and then sell them as novelties. I'd love to add a counterfeit NNOF Thomas and '90 Leaf to my collection. There may be a crazy Farve/Aikman, and whomever else you have, collector that would love to have these.

VitoCo1972

What's going on around here lately?

HeritageAddict

I've always wanted a 1985 Rack Pack with a counterfeit McGwire on top, let me know if you come across one of those.....

cwazzy

<< <i>What's going on around here lately? >>



It does seem like this place has had more than its fair share of scam artists and flakes lately.

Chris

Barfvader

<< <i>What's going on around here lately? >>



Can't be the full moon so maybe it's cabin fever.

Morgoth

Wasn't he the guy writing a book on how to tell if packs were resealed? Maybe he is testing the forum to see if we can catch fakes and was hoping he could pull a gotcha on us. Or maybe he is just an AH.

justmichael

<< <i>Before I even clicked the thread I knew you would have a counterfeit card posted claiming you pulled it from a pack..

This is not the first time you have done this either...

How do you keep pulling counterfeits out of packs??

Pretty strange if you ask me..

Counterfeit Aikman from pack >>



Burned

nam812

<< <i>Wasn't he the guy writing a book on how to tell if packs were resealed?....... >>



Yes, it's the thread titled "Help stop pack re-sealers (Rack and Celos)"

I bumped it this morning when I saw this thread.

fattymacs

Must be getting tough out there in the world.

jswieton

This was soposed to be a joke. Wow take it easy.

dizzle

<< <i>If the OP comes on here saying "good catch guys, it was a joke" I will have to call BS because if it was meant as a joke he would have just let it be discussed in his rip thread, not take the time to start a new thread just for the "card." >>



Huh.. you called that one lol..

pswebauctions

I do not generally post a lot, I just typically read and learn. I have learned a lot about scammers, resealed packs, counterfeit cards in the last few day but I guess I fail to understand the humor in this thread and the pack reseal thread. These are serious issues. They are also issues that really give me pause in starting some vintage sets.

jswieton

It was honestly soposed to be a joke. I had no idea it was fake. I actualy just bought it off of ebay a month or two ago. I will post the link if you would like. I guess I am the dumb a$# who got screwed on the deal. I had always bought high quality stuff from the seller and I asumed it was real.

Link

RipublicaninMass

The only joke here is you and your spelling

CDsNuts

Guys, I just pulled this from a rack pack and was wondering if you knew what it was worth:

jradke4

i could try to make some joke about a bears fan but i wont.

jswieton

<< <i>The only joke here is you and your spelling >>



great... thanks

justmichael

Let me guess the first time it was a joke to?It is pretty wild to think you got burned with 2 fakes.How many more do you have?Do you have any pixalated McGwire rookies?Go join Brian,Allen and Gio.
Mike

Elemenopeo

jswieton

I don’t appreciate that I am being accused of doing something illegal. Ya, I probably shouldn’t have said I pulled it from a pack. I was kind of embarrassed that I paid money for it after seeing the real cards. I was curious about the authenticity of the card. I truly didn’t know if it was an error card or a fake. I am not trying to sell the card to anyone. I just wanted to find out why the card didn’t have a number.

lsutigers1973

I'm quitting the hobby and donating all the cards from teh group sub to charity. Where is CardsforMS so I can send the cards to his MS foundation?

DrJ

Did you find any Mikan Menkos in that box?

Allen

<< <i>Let me guess the first time it was a joke to?It is pretty wild to think you got burned with 2 fakes.How many more do you have?Do you have any pixalated McGwire rookies?Go join Brian,Allen and Gio.
Mike >>



What did I do?

gumbyfan

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<< <i>Let me guess the first time it was a joke to?It is pretty wild to think you got burned with 2 fakes.How many more do you have?Do you have any pixalated McGwire rookies?Go join Brian,Allen and Gio.
Mike >>



What did I do? >>



I think he meant Alan (as in Teknobailey / OnlyThe10's)

Boopotts

<< <i>I don’t appreciate that I am being accused of doing something illegal. Ya, I probably shouldn’t have said I pulled it from a pack. I was kind of embarrassed that I paid money for it after seeing the real cards. I was curious about the authenticity of the card. I truly didn’t know if it was an error card or a fake. I am not trying to sell the card to anyone. I just wanted to find out why the card didn’t have a number. >>



Why be embarrassed? If you've been in this hobby for any appreciable amount of time and haven't been taken on a card deal then you've enjoyed an incredible stroke of luck. Trying to hide the source of the card just makes you look silly.

There's nothing embarrassing about getting ripped off on a counterfeit card when you don't know any better-- that feeling should be saved for those occcasions when you did know better but didn't listen to your rational side telling you to back out of a deal.

WinPitcher

Wow where was I when all this was going down? Oh yeah arguing with Stan.

Steve

lsutigers1973

I once paid $250 for a 1994 SP foil Arod FGS 10. It was missing a couple of corners

Boopotts

<< <i>I once paid $250 for a 1994 SP foil Arod FGS 10. It was missing a couple of corners >>



If I tried to provide all the details on the deals that I've taken the ass-end on I'd probably crash CU's server.

bman90278

<< <i>I don’t appreciate that I am being accused of doing something illegal. Ya, I probably shouldn’t have said I pulled it from a pack. I was kind of embarrassed that I paid money for it after seeing the real cards. I was curious about the authenticity of the card. I truly didn’t know if it was an error card or a fake. I am not trying to sell the card to anyone. I just wanted to find out why the card didn’t have a number. >>



Well you could have handled it differently John instead of wasting our time. You could have said you bought a lot of Farve cards and that one looked different. Was one card a variation or an error or ?? And then you could have posted your scans.

brian

jswieton

<< <i>

<< <i>I don’t appreciate that I am being accused of doing something illegal. Ya, I probably shouldn’t have said I pulled it from a pack. I was kind of embarrassed that I paid money for it after seeing the real cards. I was curious about the authenticity of the card. I truly didn’t know if it was an error card or a fake. I am not trying to sell the card to anyone. I just wanted to find out why the card didn’t have a number. >>



Well you could have handled it differently John instead of wasting our time. You could have said you bought a lot of Farve cards and that one looked different. Was one card a variation or an error or ?? And then you could have posted your scans.

brian >>



You are 100% right, I am truly sorry. I should have just asked.

dizzle

The only thing that struck me as kind of strange is this is the 2nd time (I'm aware of) you started a thread about a counterfeit card you claim was pulled from wax...

Boopotts

<< <i>The only thing that struck me as kind of strange is this is the 2nd time (I'm aware of) you started a thread about a counterfeit card you claim was pulled from wax... >>



But what would be the motive for doing something unseemly? To sell it to a board member? If he's looking to sell he's either put it in BST or list it on Ebay with a crazy starting price.

There's no reason to believe that the OP's story isn't true, so give him a break (and the benefit of the doubt).

dizzle

<< <i>

<< <i>The only thing that struck me as kind of strange is this is the 2nd time (I'm aware of) you started a thread about a counterfeit card you claim was pulled from wax... >>



But what would be the motive for doing something unseemly? To sell it to a board member? If he's looking to sell he's either put it in BST or list it on Ebay with a crazy starting price.

There's no reason to believe that the OP's story isn't true, so give him a break (and the benefit of the doubt). >>



Don't tell me what to do.

brendanb438

Why does it seem like this forum gets targeted by more idiots and wannabe scammers then any other forum I read on the internet?

I don't know how you regs manage to not go crazy with these folks, but I applaud you for being able to handle them.

BassPro77

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<< <i>The only thing that struck me as kind of strange is this is the 2nd time (I'm aware of) you started a thread about a counterfeit card you claim was pulled from wax... >>



But what would be the motive for doing something unseemly? To sell it to a board member? If he's looking to sell he's either put it in BST or list it on Ebay with a crazy starting price.

There's no reason to believe that the OP's story isn't true, so give him a break (and the benefit of the doubt). >>



Don't tell me what to do. >>





he gave you the link to whom he purchased it from. what else you want? yeah, mistake made. done learned about it. done deal.....

dizzle

<< <i>

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<< <i>

<< <i>The only thing that struck me as kind of strange is this is the 2nd time (I'm aware of) you started a thread about a counterfeit card you claim was pulled from wax... >>



But what would be the motive for doing something unseemly? To sell it to a board member? If he's looking to sell he's either put it in BST or list it on Ebay with a crazy starting price.

There's no reason to believe that the OP's story isn't true, so give him a break (and the benefit of the doubt). >>



Don't tell me what to do. >>





he gave you the link to whom he purchased it from. what else you want? yeah, mistake made. done learned about it. done deal..... >>



I don't want nothing, Don't recall saying I do either.. when I said "don't tell me what to do" to Boo I was playing around..

All I said is I find it strange the op made the same type of thread where he had counterfeit months ago..

I would have never posted in this thread again If I wasn't quoted, I'm just replying is all.. If you guys quit posting in this thread and let it die maybe it will become "a done deal" think about it.

BassPro77

i'm not blaming you booger.

IchiroDeported

This thread has it all!
Drama,
lies!
Intrigue

and a visit from the Mikan menko!

dizzle

<< <i>i'm not blaming you booger. >>



Oh... In that case I'm sorry Lamar, are we cool?