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What's up with BBCE's latest auctions?

bbcemporiumbbcemporium Posts: 684 ✭✭✭
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I was looking at BBCE's auctions and half of the graded cards they are selling have been altered (described as altered of course). Hopefully they purchased those cards already slabbed, and didn't buy them raw. Some of them have obvious trimming, but it is tough to tell what is wrong with some of them. What do you guys think?


Here are the auctions
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Some folks just want an authentic example of the card at a
    reasonable price.


    ...........

    Some CROOKS bust 'em out of the slabs and sell them raw.
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  • bbcemporiumbbcemporium Posts: 684 ✭✭✭
    Good point, but if you know they are altered, why even slab them? If a card is very valuable, I see the benefit of that, but with a relatively lower valued card, why not just sell it as a raw altered card?
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  • ElToroLocoElToroLoco Posts: 914 ✭
    Kudos to Steve for selling them like that. I'd guess that 90% of other sellers would have those cracked and sold them as raw. I'm also willing to bet that 50% of the bidders are going to crack and resub those to other grading companies if the alteration isn't very noticeable.
  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I was looking at BBCE's auctions and half of the graded cards they are selling have been altered (described as altered of course). Hopefully they purchased those cards already slabbed, and didn't buy them raw. Some of them have obvious trimming, but it is tough to tell what is wrong with some of them. What do you guys think?


    Here are the auctions >>



    Keep in mind that they also sell a lot on consignment. There's a good chance these cards don't belong to Steve, and the owner found a good reputable honest dealer to sell them for him.

    Also a good looking card that has been altered might not be worth anything, but is still usually nice to look at. A PSA holder shows the card was altered but is an original card, not a fake or reprint.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Good point, but if you know they are altered, why even slab them? If a card is very valuable, I see the benefit of that, but with a relatively lower valued card, why not just sell it as a raw altered card?



    Because slabbed the alteration is in fact noted. Sold as raw and altered it is not.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    They are mostly Hall of Famer's what do you mean low value cards?

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭
    I'd gladly take those cards in authentic slabs. Them are some mighty fine players on them cards.
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  • rbdjr1rbdjr1 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭

    come on guys! opening bids were at a huge 99 cents per card!

    much too high for slabbed authentic vintage HOFers! image

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    P.S. BBCE should have started the slabbed Stan Musial Bowman with an opening bid of 50 cents (99 cents was too high! lol!)

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  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Kudos to Steve for selling them like that. I'd guess that 90% of other sellers would have those cracked and sold them as raw. I'm also willing to bet that 50% of the bidders are going to crack and resub those to other grading companies if the alteration isn't very noticeable. >>



    I bet there will be a guy with 2 different ebay id's from the LA area bidding on those cards...Then he will try and sell them on the net54 boards as raw. lol
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  • bbcemporiumbbcemporium Posts: 684 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They are mostly Hall of Famer's what do you mean low value cards?

    Steve >>



    I guess I should have qualified my statement about being low value. When I say high value, I was thinking above the $1000 range. But please don't miss my point, I don't think there is anything wrong with the cards being sold and I know Steve Hart is one of the best in the business. Also, there is nothing wrong with wanting to buy an altered card to stay within your budget, I was only expressing concern that maybe they had purchased a large raw collection and when they got the cards graded, many of them came back altered. I would hate to see Steve get burnt like that. Granted, I'm sure he has a great eye in catching alterations, but the auctions never state what was altered, and the possibility remains that it was a subtle alteration that could escape even a trained eye.

    But to your point Steve, if I had some cards that I knew were altered, I would not waste the money to send them to PSA to get graded. I would just sell them raw and make it perfectly clear in the description that the cards had been altered.

    Jimq112, I never even thought about the fact the cards are being sold on consignment, good point.

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  • IchiroDeportedIchiroDeported Posts: 1,610 ✭
    i wish they had scans of the backs of the cards.

    also, realistically what kind of price will it fetch> more/less than a PSA 1? 2? etc.
  • bbcemporiumbbcemporium Posts: 684 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i wish they had scans of the backs of the cards.

    also, realistically what kind of price will it fetch> more/less than a PSA 1? 2? etc. >>



    I think you're right about them selling in the PSA 1-2 range. The sad thing is, like the others have stated, that most of these cards will be cracked and sold as authentic and probably make a tidy profit. I wish the description would've stated what each alteration specifically was.
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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I bought some sgc slabbed authentic cards a while back , 48 bowmans like berra , musial , feller etc. the cards looked nm/mt but were trimmed , obviously enough but still very appealing , the cards sold for around psa 3-4 prices for the most part when I listed them on ebay. some people like them , some hate them , I would rather have a card that looks like new than one that looks like it went through the wash personally if the prices are comparable
  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    When PSA receives an altered card to grade, how do they distinguish between
      encapsulating it with the "Altered" notation, or
        sending it back in the Card Saver with one of their "N" reasons as explanation

      1. leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
        Some of those cards would look great auto'ed and then slabed with a blue psa/dna flip.
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      2. jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭


        << <i>When PSA receives an altered card to grade, how do they distinguish between
          encapsulating it with the "Altered" notation, or
            sending it back in the Card Saver with one of their "N" reasons as explanation >>





            You can ask for authentic if the card won't grade, but it has to be a relatively important card and the alteration can't be too severe.
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