1959 PSA 8 Mantle was deemed a fake

WinPitcher

I can't find the original thread regarding this auction:

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However the seller emailed me and told me that PSA did in fact tell him it was a switcheroo.

Chris is a stand up guy. He will give the winner of the auction 2 options, 1 a similar 1959 mantle in PSA 8 or void the auction.


he is now trying to get his money back from the 'collector' he bought it from. It has turned into a nightmare for him.


Steve

PoppaJ

Here ya go, Steve!

Link to Original Thread

WinPitcher

Thanks Poppa of course I found it after I created a new thread.

Steve

BassPro77

that stinks. i hope all works out well for chris.

MBMiller25

I have purchased from Chris, He has always been good to work with.

mickeymantle24

Atleast he found out the truth. great guy to deal with. I know what I would tell the guy that sold me a fake.

storm888

Folks who have been ripped by this type of thing
can file a written complaint at

www.ic3.gov


They can also contact the police in the criminal's
town

www.usacops.com

..........

ic3 filings are usually accumulated until a sufficient number
have been received. Eventually, action is taken.

Good that this seller is honest. Hope he takes action to help
catch the crook.

Hoopster

Bogus, or replicated slabs could be a major headache for eveyone.

I hope the grading companies are doing something, because I would hate to see a lot of money lost for all the honest collectors who enjoy the hobby.

Maybe the slabs themselves should have a serial number that is tied to the card inside(as well as the flip). Then possibly a digital data base of the card inside that corresponds to the serial number. That isn't iron clad either, but something needs to be done.

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>Bogus, or replicated slabs could be a major headache for eveyone.

I hope the grading companies are doing something, because I would hate to see a lot of money lost for all the honest collectors who enjoy the hobby.

Maybe the slabs themselves should have a serial number that is tied to the card inside(as well as the flip). Then possibly a digital data base of the card inside that corresponds to the serial number. That isn't iron clad either, but something needs to be done. >>



At this point, I would say this is a PSA and SGC problem only. They need to address this problem soon as possible, in my opinion. They both have a great service, but their holders need changes to protect all of us from this point forward.

BGS got it right with their slabs back when they first started. One thing for sure, you can't compromise their holders without ruining them, making it very obvious that they were monkeyed with.

storm888

"...BGS got it right with their slabs back when they first started. One thing for sure, you can't compromise their holders without ruining them, making it very obvious that they were monkeyed with..."

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Yup.

I am not a fan of the doorstops they use for slabs, but they
are secure.

PSA needs to act quickly. Folks with high-value cards will simply
pay a little more for the secure holder. PSA can make money on
the changeover.

The harm to the brand could get out of control, if action is not
taken soon.

lsutigers1973

If you people would just stick to 80's junk commons in PSA 10 grade, you wouldn't have this problem.

Hoopster

I would be more concerned with some company in China(or somewhere) making the exact mold of one of their slabs, as opposed to the opening of the graded slab.

schr1st

That is rumored to be happening as well.



<< <i>I would be more concerned with some company in China(or somewhere) making the exact mold of one of their slabs, as opposed to the opening of the graded slab. >>

nightcrawler

This slab resealing stuff is a f'n drag, I have a bunch of nice cards I need to get looked at I guess. Especially after I cracked out a few cards last month, and one of them popped apart in almost perfect condition after I gave it a twist.

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>This slab resealing stuff is a f'n drag, I have a bunch of nice cards I need to get looked at I guess. Especially after I cracked out a few cards last month, and one of them popped apart in almost perfect condition after I gave it a twist. >>



I must admit I took a trip to the bank about a month ago to closely examine the slabs of all my PSA graded cards.

WinPitcher

From the gist of the guys email to me the slab was legit the card was fake.

Not saying that the chinese are not making fake slabs I'm just saying in this particular case the slab was real.

Steve

SOM

Didn't the strange looking font on the flip arouse suspicion?

craigger

wouldn't it help if PSA scanned every card they graded? Maybe over a certain value?

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>wouldn't it help if PSA scanned every card they graded? Maybe over a certain value? >>



That might help some, but a tamper proof holder is what is needed, in my opinion.

gameusedhoop

Nothing wrong with the slabs:


Nothing to see, now back to your regularly scheduled show:

WinPitcher

Psa's position is that the slabs they use are tamper evident.

I do not think that they could simply change this late in the game.

However with that said IMO it would probably be the wise thing to do.


Steve

Morgoth

I agree PSA needs something new as the current holder is too easily comprimised. These scammers are very brazen, there was a guy passing off fakes in cracked PSA holders at the Nationals. When confronted he bolted out the doors. My friend got taken for almost $1200.

natetrook

Could you give more info on this...
Bad slabs at National is bad karma.
What cards did your friend buy, and what else was there for sale?
We need to know.

Nate

lsutigers1973

It's funny that everyone seems shocked that there are crooks in this hobby when we have a new one on this little forum every week.