Some scans - feedback wanted

TheTalkingWalnut · January 18, 2009 9:14AM

I learned a lot yesterday and I thank everyone who contributed. I made some more 240 dpi scans of some of the heavy hitters in my new collection and they should be linked below.

I'm most curious about how these would grade PSA and how to determine centering. But any feedback is welcome, good or bad. I'm an appraiser; I'm used to being abused.

Also, these will all be for sale at some point. If any of them strike your fancy, let me know. I swore that I would not list these on ebay (I don't like being forced to use paypal) so rest assured that you haven't seen these before. They sat in a shoebox in Ohio for 40 years and are new to the market.

bman90278 · January 18, 2009 9:26AM

jimrad · January 18, 2009 9:27AM

any scissors in that shoebox. Looks like some EOT

lawnmowerman · January 18, 2009 9:27AM

You need to clean your finger nails

TheTalkingWalnut · January 18, 2009 9:31AM

That's funny - the guy who bought these owned a junkyard. Go figure!

Stingray · January 18, 2009 9:38AM

Most of those appear to be off-center(OC) and will not get very good grades. You can ask for no qualifers from PSA and they will down grade them by two grades. So I think you are looking at 6s for most of these cards. JMO.

otwcards · January 18, 2009 9:39AM

To answer some of your question and refrain from the incredibly helpful remarks:

Bradley = PSA 5 if you can lay the corner down a little, otherwise PSA 4
Piccolo = PSA 6.5
Sayers = PSA 6 (OC) or PSA 4 if no qualifiers
Aaron = PSA 6
Marin = PSA 7
Havlicek = PSA 6 unless smudges come off in and around the basketball

This assumes that there aren't any additional flaws or back issues.

lawnmowerman · January 18, 2009 9:53AM

<< To answer some of your question and refrain from the incredibly helpful remarks

Bradley = PSA 5 if you can lay the corner down a little, otherwise PSA 4

This assumes that there aren't any additional flaws or back issues. >>

Speaking of incredibly helpful remarks, that's great advice Doc!

otwcards · January 18, 2009 9:57AM

lawnmowerman · January 18, 2009 10:01AM

Just pick whichever one applies

Doctor:

10. to restore to original or working condition; repair; mend: She was able to doctor the chipped vase with a little plastic cement.
11. to tamper with; falsify: He doctored the birthdate on his passport.
12. to add a foreign substance to; adulterate: Someone had doctored the drink.
13. to revise, alter, or adapt (a photograph, manuscript, etc.) in order to serve a specific purpose or to improve the material: to doctor a play.

Stingray · January 18, 2009 10:06AM

I take it by the responses that some think that these cards have been tampered with?? It would be interesting to know why.

otwcards · January 18, 2009 10:16AM

<< I take it by the responses that some think that these cards have been tampered with?? It would be interesting to know why. >>

Perhaps they're mistaking the typical tails on the basketball cards and the miscut on the Aaron as trimming.

bman90278 · January 18, 2009 10:24AM

<< I take it by the responses that some think that these cards have been tampered with?? It would be interesting to know why. >>

I think it's also possible it's getting towards the end of NFL Championship Sunday and a few members are in very festive attitudes.

lawnmowerman · January 18, 2009 10:31AM

<< 

<< I take it by the responses that some think that these cards have been tampered with?? It would be interesting to know why. >>

I think it's also possible it's getting towards the end of NFL Championship Sunday and a few members are in very festive attitudes.

>>

Not at all Brian. I haven't had a single drink.

I just take exception to a guy criticizing other's responses and in the same breathe offering up his card doctoring advice.

lsutigers1973 · January 18, 2009 10:32AM

<< I think it's also possible it's getting towards the end of NFL Championship Sunday and a few members are in very festive attitudes >>

Uno mas cerveza por favor

gumbyfan · January 18, 2009 10:49AM

<< To answer some of your question and refrain from the incredibly helpful remarks:

Bradley = PSA 5 if you can lay the corner down a little, otherwise PSA 4
Havlicek = PSA 6 unless smudges come off in and around the basketball

This assumes that there aren't any additional flaws or back issues. >>

I would have expected better from a site veteran. Now you're giving card doctoring advice? Shame on you.

Stingray · January 18, 2009 11:09AM

Ah, I see what you guys are saying. Not the best of advice.

otwcards · January 18, 2009 11:14AM

Calling the clique. . .

lsutigers1973 · January 18, 2009 11:14AM

No need to call us. We are here already.

gumbyfan · January 18, 2009 11:19AM

<< Calling the clique. . .

>>

That's the bat signal, genius.

TheTalkingWalnut · January 18, 2009 11:24AM

I did drop Senator Bradley a couple of days ago, which should explain a couple of the dinged corners. I don't think my cousin was smart enough to trim cards, but I did notice the crappy edge on the Piccolo. Somebody recommended a JEdge yesterday and I imagine anybody who wanted to could measure and find out for sure if these cards were trimmed. Unless of course I manipulated these scans somehow. Trust me; there's much more money in mortgage fraud than in card fraud.

Here are my opinions, to be mocked, if necessary. Just remember; I'm a Browns fan so I'm pretty immune to almost everything:

I think the Piccolo is crap. I am curious myself how it got those chips and assorted damage.

The Havlicek seems really nice except for the smudges on the basketball.

And I thought the Jack Marin was very close to mint and am honestly surprised that others aren't wowed by it. To my knowledge he wasn't a star, but I believe that it's a short print so I thought that, combined with its condition, would have counted for something.

lawnmowerman · January 18, 2009 11:30AM

<< Calling the clique. . . >>

You just got to love a spinner. You get called out for your card doctoring advice but yet you spin it to make it like we are unjustly picking on you.

Let me ask you something Scott, is pressing down damaged corners doctoring? I really would love to hear your answer.

tennesseebanker · January 18, 2009 11:31AM

Hey ! I wanna be in the clique ! can I be in the clique ? Pah leeeseeee !

lsutigers1973 · January 18, 2009 11:56AM

I don't see any cli.., oh you said clique.

Mescalito345 · January 18, 2009 10:26PM

I have a question about one of the previous posts. otwcards is criticized for suggesting removal of smudges on the Havlicek card. If there is some substance (like a gum stain) on the surface of a card, what's wrong with wiping it off with a handkerchief? Maybe I'm missing something.

lawnmowerman · January 18, 2009 10:37PM

<< I have a question about one of the previous posts. otwcards is criticized for suggesting removal of smudges on the Havlicek card. If there is some substance (like a gum stain) on the surface of a card, what's wrong with wiping it off with a handkerchief? Maybe I'm missing something. >>

No he's not.Go back and read his post.

He is being criticized for giving advice on how to repair a corner. Lifted corners or wrinkles in cards surfaces usually reappear sometime later after being "repaired"

I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy buying a PSA graded card and wrinkle or crease becomes visable sometime down the road.

Mescalito345 · January 18, 2009 10:46PM

Check out the post by gumbyfan.

Dboneesq · January 19, 2009 12:14AM

IMO ... Marin and Havlicek probably 7 - 7.5

The others no more than a 6. Centering issues on a few.

Good Luck with your submissions.

otwcards · January 19, 2009 8:33AM

<< 

<< I have a question about one of the previous posts. otwcards is criticized for suggesting removal of smudges on the Havlicek card. If there is some substance (like a gum stain) on the surface of a card, what's wrong with wiping it off with a handkerchief? Maybe I'm missing something. >>

No he's not.Go back and read his post.

He is being criticized for giving advice on how to repair a corner. Lifted corners or wrinkles in cards surfaces usually reappear sometime later after being "repaired"

I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy buying a PSA graded card and wrinkle or crease becomes visable sometime down the road. >>

Alright, this borders on the absurd and why I'm responding is beyond me. This situation is akin to the "so did you stop beating your wife today" scenario. No matter what I say, you're going to offer some sort of condemnation or twist it to be that I'm something evil.

What I said was:

"Bradley = PSA 5 if you can lay the corner down a little, otherwise PSA 4"

Subsequently, I've been called a card doctor and then told that I offered advice on repairing cards. I don't know where your comprehension skills lie, but obviously you've got an ax to grind. My head's pretty thick, so you'll have to make it really sharp and swing hard!

Considering your expression of depth on the subject and the fact that a simple statement of "if you can lay the corner down a little" prompts you to offer your "insight" into what YOU want to think I was saying, suggests a little more than meets the eye.

I'll leave you to make any outlandish and unsubstantiated statements you want. I'll rest my reputation on my reputation alone and not worry about your finger wagging and grandstanding. If I felt your accusations had merit or that anyone of significance would believe them, I'd certainly protect my reputation. However, there's little I can say or do that will make you or your merry band of lunch table buddies think anything other than what you want them to believe.

Just remember, when you point your finger, you've got three more pointing back at you! And there's little need to try to call me out, there's nothing of substance for me to respond to.

digicat · January 19, 2009 8:48AM

<< No he's not.Go back and read his post.
He is being criticized for giving advice on how to repair a corner. Lifted corners or wrinkles in cards surfaces usually reappear sometime later after being "repaired"
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy buying a PSA graded card and wrinkle or crease becomes visable sometime down the road. >>

He didn't tell the OP to soak the card to remove a wrinkle or a crease. You took it too far.

lawnmowerman · January 19, 2009 8:53AM

<< 

<< No he's not.Go back and read his post.
He is being criticized for giving advice on how to repair a corner. Lifted corners or wrinkles in cards surfaces usually reappear sometime later after being "repaired"
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy buying a PSA graded card and wrinkle or crease becomes visable sometime down the road. >>

He didn't tell the OP to soak the card to remove a wrinkle or a crease. You took it too far. >>

I didn't say he did. Don't make things up. My point was, it's the same principle.

Pressing down lifted corners IS repairing a card. Repairing a card IS doctoring.

So both of you guys feel it's okay to press down corners to achieve a higher grade??

I think PSA would beg to differ.

You guys can spin it any way you want to. You're wrong.

digicat · January 19, 2009 9:18AM

<< He didn't tell the OP to soak the card to remove a wrinkle or a crease. You took it too far. >>

I didn't say he did. Don't make things up. My point was, it's the same principle >>

I think someone's cranky because there's no Cowboys football for the next 8 months. There's plenty of DVD's of past seasons of Cowboy glory you can choose from the lift your spirits.

lawnmowerman · January 19, 2009 9:22AM

<< 

<< He didn't tell the OP to soak the card to remove a wrinkle or a crease. You took it too far. >>

I didn't say he did. Don't make things up. My point was, it's the same principle >>

I think someone's cranky because there's no Cowboys football for the next 8 months. There's plenty of DVD's of past seasons of Cowboy glory you can choose from the lift your spirits. >>

What are you doing here Rich? What a lame post by you..LOL

Since you obviously saw my reply, why don't answer the question??

Here, I'll say it again:

So both of you guys feel it's okay to press down corners to achieve a higher grade??

digicat · January 19, 2009 9:57AM

<< What are you doing here Rich? What a lame post by you..LOL >>

Running up my post count. I've been neglicting it lately.

<< Since you obviously saw my reply, why don't answer the question??
So ... you ... feel it's okay to press down corners to achieve a higher grade?? >>

Yes, to a degree. You can accomplish this by simply putting the card in a Card Saver 2 and leaving it for a few weeks. The natural pressure applied by the CS2 will make the raised corner less ugly. It's still there, and will still be spotted by the grader, but the eye-appeal aspect is better than leaving a dog-eared corner flared out.

If we’re talking about soaking a card to remove a crease or something like that, then absolutely NO, I do not think it’s ok.

Some scans - feedback wanted

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