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Basic and collector issues.

can someone critique my definition of basic and collector issues? Also do you think that the basic and collector issues could be discontinued for modern day players? what is more popular with modern day collectors: basic OR Basic and collector issues.


Exclusions:
1) Cards that have ratio explained on the pack (example 1:2 ; 1:8 packs and so forth)
If one type of its card cannot be pulled in a pack then its excluded. this eliminates parallels, inserts, one of one, autograph, game used cards
2) Dealer Promo Samples and National Convention Promos , Regional Show Promo Cards
3) Subset within a Set (example, All-Star, League Leaders, Milestone , Highlisghts) So only one card from any given player can be listed for the Registry Set. You cant have a basic set and an all-star card of Pujols from the same Topps set on the Registry Set.
4) Minor League and High School Cards (any card from a player wearing a minor league uniform or high school uniform or plain clothes (ex. bowman 92) cannot be included.
5) Food issues from regional brands.
6) Cards created after players retirement.
7) Cards from Starting Lineup figurines.

Inclusions
1) Regular card from a nationally distributed card in packs.
2) Regular card from update sets as long as cards are sequentially numbered with the Regular set from that year. However only one card per player is allowed. So if Pujol is in the 1993 Topps set and in the 1993 Topps Update set you can only count the earliest distributed card from that set. In this case the 1993 regular Topps card.
3) Food issues that are distributed from national brands. If you can recognize the brand at the super market. (Pepsi, Nestles, Mother's Cookies, Cereal Cards like Post Cereals)
3) Only one card for any given box. I notice some boxes has multiple cards of superstars in the regular sets. Correct me if I wrong. Bowman Best comes to mind.

Comments

  • Also do you think that the basic and collector issues could be discontinued for modern day players?


    No.

    What is more popular with modern day collectors: basic OR Basic and collector issues.

    I imagine the Basic and Collectors Issues, as when they did the change...split the basic from the basic and collectors set, not many player sets got the basic set, rather their basic set became a basic and collectors set.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • PSA defines the Basic & Collectors sets as follows:

    "These sets, for modern players (post-1971), include all cards defined as a "Main Set" cards (promos, prototypes and test sets excluded), but do not include cards from Parallel Sets, Insert Sets, or Parallel/Inserts Sets. Special cards and league leader cards are not included." Basically its all cards except inserts, parallels, promos, prototypes and test sets.

    I think the Basic sets are much more popular then the Basic & Collectors sets. PSA changed all the modern Basic sets to Basic & Collectors sets and left the vintage basic sets alone. Since then only one new Basic & Collectors set has been requested (for Rod Carew) while many additional Basic sets were requested and added for modern players shortly after the modern basic sets were changed to Basic & Collectors sets. All new modern player sets that have have added have been added as Basic sets, not Basic & Collectors sets.

    I really hate the Basic & Collectors sets and wish PSA would get rid of them. From a collectors point of view they make no sense. They are a mix of the most popular cards and the least popular cards with many of the cards in between excluded. The Topps Tiffany cards are excluded but the hand cut All-Star Game Program Inserts are included? It makes no sense.


  • << <i>PSA defines the Basic & Collectors sets as follows:

    "These sets, for modern players (post-1971), include all cards defined as a "Main Set" cards (promos, prototypes and test sets excluded), but do not include cards from Parallel Sets, Insert Sets, or Parallel/Inserts Sets. Special cards and league leader cards are not included." Basically its all cards except inserts, parallels, promos, prototypes and test sets.

    I think the Basic sets are much more popular then the Basic & Collectors sets. PSA changed all the modern Basic sets to Basic & Collectors sets and left the vintage basic sets alone. Since then only one new Basic & Collectors set has been requested (for Rod Carew) while many additional Basic sets were requested and added for modern players shortly after the modern basic sets were changed to Basic & Collectors sets. All new modern player sets that have have added have been added as Basic sets, not Basic & Collectors sets.

    I really hate the Basic & Collectors sets and wish PSA would get rid of them. From a collectors point of view they make no sense. They are a mix of the most popular cards and the least popular cards with many of the cards in between excluded. The Topps Tiffany cards are excluded but the hand cut All-Star Game Program Inserts are included? It makes no sense. >>




    The OP asked about modern cards and I think for most modern you will find it the other way around. When they made the basic the basic and collector, they did not automatically make a basic for many sets. Pretty much all the modern players I collect do not have a "basic." Since I have waited two years on my last set request...i really seen no need of making a "basic" Steve Young set...although I guess I should change me sig. note.

    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • Well, while we are at it - There is a set on the registry that an award has been given for 5 straight years (when 75% was ok). But in 2008 the guy didn't make 90% so no award. Seems PSA made a lot of little sets so that more certificates could be handed out and then upped the percentage needed on existing sets. And, no his percentage didn't drop because of card additions.

    IMO, there should be:
    A Playing Years Set (containing ANY card from the playing years + 1st year of retirement).
    A Master Set (containing any and all cards made for a player).

    Collectors that are collecting only Topps or Fleer of a player need to only update the set they want to be in.

    And... Since they have added stickers and discs, when will coins be allowed?

    At least this way all cards are counted.
    Bogie: I am a new member since 2004.
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    let all remember PSA is in the business of grading cards for money.

    the more sets the more subs. the higher percentage required for awards means more subs. the higher percentage for your limited rewards (free grades) means more subs.

    more subs means more money!!!
    Packers Fan for Life
    Collecting:
    Brett Favre Master Set
    Favre Ticket Stubs
    Favre TD Reciever Autos
    Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
    Football HOF Rc's


  • << <i>The OP asked about modern cards and I think for most modern you will find it the other way around. When they made the basic the basic and collector, they did not automatically make a basic for many sets. Pretty much all the modern players I collect do not have a "basic." Since I have waited two years on my last set request...i really seen no need of making a "basic" Steve Young set...although I guess I should change me sig. note. >>



    When PSA changed the Basic sets to Basic & Collectors sets, they did it in name only and did not add any additional cards. Collectors can request additional cards to be added to these sets, but in most cases this has not been done. So the Basic & Collectors sets have remained like the original Basic sets. When oddball cards are added to the Basic & Collectors sets, collectors usually respond by requesting a pure Basic set.


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    << <i>The OP asked about modern cards and I think for most modern you will find it the other way around. When they made the basic the basic and collector, they did not automatically make a basic for many sets. Pretty much all the modern players I collect do not have a "basic." Since I have waited two years on my last set request...i really seen no need of making a "basic" Steve Young set...although I guess I should change me sig. note. >>



    When PSA changed the Basic sets to Basic & Collectors sets, they did it in name only and did not add any additional cards. Collectors can request additional cards to be added to these sets, but in most cases this has not been done. So the Basic & Collectors sets have remained like the original Basic sets. When oddball cards are added to the Basic & Collectors sets, collectors usually respond by requesting a pure Basic set. >>




    PSA does not usually add additional cards on its own so I am not sure what you are trying to say there. In fact, I am only aware of two modern players that have all their cards listed, Nolan Ryan and Mike Schidmt (msp) so if you collect anyone else in modern cards, you will have to request cards added. It does not matter if it is basic, basic/collector or master.

    However, again they did not add basic sets when they made the change. They made it so you have to request them. Few of the modern sets have requested and there is currently only one request on the request page. So back to the question which is more popular I think one has to say the "Basic and Collector."

    Collectors apparently have not been responding by requesting basic sets as you suggest. If you look at the request page, there is only one basic set on the list and it is the very last one.


    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.


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    << <i>The OP asked about modern cards and I think for most modern you will find it the other way around. When they made the basic the basic and collector, they did not automatically make a basic for many sets. Pretty much all the modern players I collect do not have a "basic." Since I have waited two years on my last set request...i really seen no need of making a "basic" Steve Young set...although I guess I should change me sig. note. >>



    When PSA changed the Basic sets to Basic & Collectors sets, they did it in name only and did not add any additional cards. Collectors can request additional cards to be added to these sets, but in most cases this has not been done. So the Basic & Collectors sets have remained like the original Basic sets. When oddball cards are added to the Basic & Collectors sets, collectors usually respond by requesting a pure Basic set. >>




    PSA does not usually add additional cards on its own so I am not sure what you are trying to say there. In fact, I am only aware of two modern players that have all their cards listed, Nolan Ryan and Mike Schidmt (msp) so if you collect anyone else in modern cards, you will have to request cards added. It does not matter if it is basic, basic/collector or master.

    However, again they did not add basic sets when they made the change. They made it so you have to request them. Few of the modern sets have requested and there is currently only one request on the request page. So back to the question which is more popular I think one has to say the "Basic and Collector."

    Collectors apparently have not been responding by requesting basic sets as you suggest. If you look at the request page, there is only one basic set on the list and it is the very last one. >>



    Basic & Collector, Master Topps and Master sets are works in progress an new cards are added after they are graded and collectors request them. Basic sets and Topps Basic sets are not works in progress unless the player is active. All cards are added when the set is listed unless the player is still active. You will notice that at the top of the page of the Basic & Collector, Master Topps and Master sets there is a note that says that the set is a work in progress. This not is not present at the top of Basic and basic Topps sets.

    When PSA started adding oddball cards to the Basic sets, many collectors got upset and wanted them removed. Instead of fixing the basic sets they accepted requests for new sets they called Primary sets. Eventually they changed the names of the Basic sets to Basic & Collectors sets, and Primary sets to Basic sets. Many of the requests for modern basic sets happened right away (about 20 modern baseball basic sets were requested and added). For many of the modern Basic & Collectors sets, oddball cards have not been added and they are still like the original Basic sets. When oddball cards get added to the Basic & Collectors sets, collectors usually respond by requesting Basic sets. They have not requested Basic sets for may players because the Basic & Collectors set that is listed is still like the original Basic set. Also, you may not see Basic sets requested for some players because for some players you only have collectors interested in the Master sets and don't care about requesting additional subsets.

    If the Basic & Collectors sets are so popular, why aren't they being "filled out" (meaning having additional cards that meet the set's criteria added to the set) by collectors? Most of the Basic & Collectors sets have not have additional cards requested to be added to them so they have remained like they were originally. Like the Basic sets.
  • Maybe it is the sets I am working on, but looking over the player sets listed that does not appear to be the case....unless the player had most of his career in the 80s or before.

    In 80s and before the basic sets are much more popular, but at the same time there are much fewer possible cards of these players. So I guess it depends on what a person calls a modern player. To me the definition of a modern player, would hopefully include more of the players from the last 20 years then it would before it.

    "If the Basic & Collectors sets are so popular, why aren't they being "filled out" (meaning having additional cards that meet the set's criteria added to the set) by collectors?

    I have been waiting over two months for cards to be added to the sets I am working on, so apparently I am not the only one trying to add more cards. Usually it takes me about three months to get additions.

    "When oddball cards get added to the Basic & Collectors sets, collectors usually respond by requesting Basic sets. They have not requested Basic sets for may players because the Basic & Collectors set that is listed is still like the original Basic set."

    Either they are requesting them or they are not. Do you not agree the request page is a good reference to what people are requesting? There is only one basic set in request. If you have a better reference to what people are requesting, please provide it.


    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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