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If Rice gets into the HOF so should Mattingly

SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
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  • SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
    Not to mention Kirby Puckett who has very similar stats to Mattingly.
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    "The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
  • IchiroDeportedIchiroDeported Posts: 1,610 ✭
    Mattingly can wait for his last year of eligibility.
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't bore you with the ugly details on why I think. image

    Congrats Jimbo!!!! >>



    Thanks very much for leaving out all of the ugly details and stats.

    Brian
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  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    Just because one undeserving player gets in is no reason to put in another one.
  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The thing that offends me about the Puckett situation is that he has almost the exact same stats as Mattingly in almost all categories played during the exact same era. And Puckett went in on his first or second vote. It wasn't even a question that he was going to get in. How Mattingly, great fielder and class act well respected by all in the game and writers, can't even draw 12% of the vote is beyond me. If Puckett made it in his 10th try and Mattingly were getting a respectable 50% or so, I might not be so turned off but there is hardly anything to explain such a wide disparity in voting sentiment. >>




    Puckett was a CF; Mattingly was a 1B. That matters. Also, I wonder if KP would get in if the vote were today.
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    Nothing against Mattingly, who I think was an excellent player but there is a vast difference between Puckett and Mattingly.

    Puckett was FORCED to retire due to an injury. In the two prior seasons he hit .317 and .314 with slugging percentages of .540 and .515. He was still pretty close to an elite player. Had he not been forced to retire he would have had an excellent chance at 3000 hits (62% via the favourite toy method) and at the very least he would have padded his career statistics.

    When Mattingly was forced to retire due to a bad back he had already been an average player for the past six seasons. His slugging percentages his last six seasons were .335, .394, .416, .445, .411 and .413. It is no wonder when Mattingly retired and the Yankees picked up a slugging firstbaseman they went on to great success.

  • IchiroDeportedIchiroDeported Posts: 1,610 ✭
    aro makes good points.

    i like this guy.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    When Mattingly was forced to retire due to a bad back he had already been an average player for the past six seasons.



    But it was the bad back that made him average so i do not get the difference.

    Not saying he is a HOF'r.


    Puckett and his case are more similar then what you say.


    Steve


    Good for you.
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    The question was asked, why is there a disparity in the voting numbers of Puckett and Mattingly when their final career statistics are so similar?

    When Puckett left the game he was an elite player. Five years after he retired the writers still remembered him as an elite player and voted him in the Hall. The perception is Puckett was deprived of 3000 hits and better career numbers by a career ending injury.

    With Mattingly, he was average for six straight years. After his retirement, the Yankees replaced him with a better player and went on to become one of the top 10 teams of all-time. The writers remembered him as being average and when his career numbers did not flash Hall of Fame he did not get anywhere near the required vote. If you reverse Mattingly's career, putting the best six seasons last he probably gets in the Hall on the first ballot.

    Players like Kirby Puckett and Sandy Koufax that were forced to retire near the peak of their powers, I believe should be evaluated slightly differently.
  • jaxxrjaxxr Posts: 1,258 ✭✭
    "Players like Kirby Puckett and Sandy Koufax that were forced to retire near the peak of their powers, I believe should be evaluated slightly differently"

    I agree, but realize it is hard to give proper weight to possible or likely future seasons.

    What would your take be on George Sisler, who missed an entire season due to health problems, then played well, but not awesome as before the missed season ?

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  • benderbroethbenderbroeth Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    i have never even heard of this guy before. nuff said.
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  • JackWESQJackWESQ Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭
    Mattingly actually had a higher career OPS+ than Puckett, 127 to 124. However, both were lower than Will Clark (137), who I would love to see get in, but will likely never happen. (Clark received only 4.4% of the vote in 2006 and thus is gone.)

    /s/ JackWESQ
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