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Well, I must say, if there was any sign of economic hard times, it was evident this morning at the Waldorf.
I was struck by the palpable diminishing of the crowd from prior years. I was able to move around without too much scrunching. More telling, I obtained places at both Allen Berman's and Richard Margolis' table this year without any problem. Scary.
My own personal haul:
Woodrow Wilson uniface by Kilenyi
Westfalian medal featuring a rabbit on the obverse (I was intrigued. I will post it later and request feedback)
Striking high relief medal from the 1897 International Exposition in Brussels. "Sculpted" by Lagae and "made" by Wolfers
Wiesbaden Swim Club second place medal featuring a recessed high relief lion. Not particularly artistic, but quite dramatic
My best find; what appears to be an original Hartig, the noted Austrian medalist (always concerned about the modern restrikes)
The LIRR has cut service on the Oyster Bay line, so I was in a rush to leave. On the way out, I did run into Gene. Didn't have much time to chat as I had to catch the train or wait 2 hours for the next one.
I was struck by the palpable diminishing of the crowd from prior years. I was able to move around without too much scrunching. More telling, I obtained places at both Allen Berman's and Richard Margolis' table this year without any problem. Scary.
My own personal haul:
Woodrow Wilson uniface by Kilenyi
Westfalian medal featuring a rabbit on the obverse (I was intrigued. I will post it later and request feedback)
Striking high relief medal from the 1897 International Exposition in Brussels. "Sculpted" by Lagae and "made" by Wolfers
Wiesbaden Swim Club second place medal featuring a recessed high relief lion. Not particularly artistic, but quite dramatic
My best find; what appears to be an original Hartig, the noted Austrian medalist (always concerned about the modern restrikes)
The LIRR has cut service on the Oyster Bay line, so I was in a rush to leave. On the way out, I did run into Gene. Didn't have much time to chat as I had to catch the train or wait 2 hours for the next one.
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<< <i>The timing of the show - at the same time as FUN, may have also impacted the attendence. >>
indeed, i'd say that had a lot to do with it.
Cathy
BERMAN TOLD ME TO COME BACK LATER WHEN HE WAS LESS CROWDED.
GOT SO TIRED OF THE CROWDS I LEFT AFTER 2 HOURS
EVEN THE PONTERIO VIEWING WAS PACKED.
HERITAGE SOLD 7 MILLION$.
BUT NOT TO WORRY IN 11 DAYS THE STREETS WILL BE PAVED IN GOLD
OUR SAVIOUR WILL TAKE OFFICE.
On the way in there was a fire at one of the switching stations near 52nd St. We had to back out of the tunnel all the way to 125th, disembark, walk over to the subway station at Lexington, and take the 6 train to Grand Central. So we got there about 11:30 and literally bumped into Harasha who was rushing out to catch his train back to the Island.
On the way home all of the New Haven Line trains were cancelled/delayed due to "Police activity between Harrison and Rye". A 45 min delay in GCS led to a 1 hour wait at Pelham to a 2 hour wait the next station where they crammed a 2nd trains' passengers onto ours. Turned out that a trajic accident occurred: a transit worker got electracuted and died. This caused 3 of the 4 rails to close.
In between was Darkside Heaven! Even for this greysider. I was able to find many nicely toned Canadiain pieces. I'll post pix later. And added about 20 tokens to my research pile. I cleaned out Karl Stephens inventory of Nova Scotia 1/2d's and PEI Ships tokens. Bought both tokens that Randy Weir had with him, an XF Wellington-Waterloo 1/2d and a gourgeous 1837 Habitant 1d that should go AU55-MS62. An 1883-H 25c from Smythe in AU, a 1919 25c MS63ish and a nicely toned set of Nova Scotia 1864 1/2 +1 cent in NGC 64RB + 62RB holders from Jeff Zarit, an AU 1894 Newfie 10c, and a 1912 PCGS MS64 Newfie 20c.
British gold, German silver, South American crowns, conder tokens, ancients were everywhere it seemed. I even bought a DH-9 Dublin piece, which is a 1795 mule of a Washington Liberty + Security cent and Irish 1/2d. A neat historical item connecting colonial USA and Ireland.
Must have seen 30 Goetz bronze pieces and a few silver, along with a couple dozen of his patterns. Lots of NGC holdered coins, in fact I'd say of the total TPG coins 2/3 were in NGC slabs with about 25% of them in the new 3 tab slab.
I also saw a Una and the Lion in NGC PR64 (?). Wow!
Finished the day at the PCGS table submitting 6 on my beauties. While there Don Willis walks in. A down to earth, collector at heart kinda guy. Easy to talk to and very knowledgeable. He hinted at some more changes, he called them adjustments. BTW, World coins and US coins each have their own form now. The handling charge increased to $8 per order, Trueview is available as an extraservice (must write it on the form) and is now $10 per coin, and postage fees have increased again.
I saw rwyarmch but didn't get a chance to talk with him as we were both in the middle of deals and when done he was gone. While taking a break Bob - CoinKat stopped and we had a nice talk about what we bought, what we saw, and what we wanted to buy.
edit to add scans: the coppers have more red than shown
Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
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I thought the show was well attended. I looked at three auction lots- no comments on those for now.
I thought there was a reasonable amount of activity and I thought some dealers did well. Perhaps I think the quality lower priced material did better than I anticipated. I bought some nice coins- mostly British, German and Italian. I think my best purchases were Italian which is rare for me. I looked at some very attractive coins... a thought long and hard about an 1858 Canadian quarter and choose to pass on it. The grade was a very tough call and I think I was persuaded by the downside potential if it did grade well. I also saw a 1723 half crown and I think I may have missed the boat on this one. I thought the price was in pounds sterling and not dollars and I just thought I could not pay what a negotiated price would have been. It truly was the best George I Half crown I have ever seen and I likely will live to regret not buying it.
more submissions were made to PCGS... should be interesting to see what happens with these.
btw, could someone with a 1801-1900 Krause please post the EF and Unc price for an 1883 Italian 2Lira?
Thanks for the help
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<< <i>MY TAKE ON THE NYC INC SHOW WAS QUITE DIFFERENT . I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY CROWED.MOST DEALERS WERE 3-5 DEEP.
BERMAN TOLD ME TO COME BACK LATER WHEN HE WAS LESS CROWDED.
GOT SO TIRED OF THE CROWDS I LEFT AFTER 2 HOURS
EVEN THE PONTERIO VIEWING WAS PACKED.
HERITAGE SOLD 7 MILLION$.
BUT NOT TO WORRY IN 11 DAYS THE STREETS WILL BE PAVED IN GOLD
OUR SAVIOUR WILL TAKE OFFICE. >>
you could have at least left the sarcastic political drivel out of your post
<< <i>No point in starting a separate thread...
I thought the show was well attended. I looked at three auction lots- no comments on those for now.
I thought there was a reasonable amount of activity and I thought some dealers did well. Perhaps I think the quality lower priced material did better than I anticipated. I bought some nice coins- mostly British, German and Italian. I think my best purchases were Italian which is rare for me. I looked at some very attractive coins... a thought long and hard about an 1858 Canadian quarter and choose to pass on it. The grade was a very tough call and I think I was persuaded by the downside potential if it did grade well. I also saw a 1723 half crown and I think I may have missed the boat on this one. I thought the price was in pounds sterling and not dollars and I just thought I could not pay what a negotiated price would have been. It truly was the best George I Half crown I have ever seen and I likely will live to regret not buying it.
more submissions were made to PCGS... should be interesting to see what happens with these.
btw, could someone with a 1801-1900 Krause please post the EF and Unc price for an 1883 Italian 2Lira?
Thanks for the help >>
Bob,
nice report! the 2008 Krause shows your coin at 3.5million minted, and $45 and $170 bucks in EF and UNC; but $500 in BU (sure it's not BU?)
<< <i>I thoroughly enjoyed this years' show! Started and ended with commuter train mis-adventures.
On the way in there was a fire at one of the switching stations near 52nd St. We had to back out of the tunnel all the way to 125th, disembark, walk over to the subway station at Lexington, and take the 6 train to Grand Central. So we got there about 11:30 and literally bumped into Harasha who was rushing out to catch his train back to the Island.
On the way home all of the New Haven Line trains were cancelled/delayed due to "Police activity between Harrison and Rye". A 45 min delay in GCS led to a 1 hour wait at Pelham to a 2 hour wait the next station where they crammed a 2nd trains' passengers onto ours. Turned out that a trajic accident occurred: a transit worker got electracuted and died. This caused 3 of the 4 rails to close.
In between was Darkside Heaven! Even for this greysider. I was able to find many nicely toned Canadiain pieces. I'll post pix later. And added about 20 tokens to my research pile. I cleaned out Karl Stephens inventory of Nova Scotia 1/2d's and PEI Ships tokens. Bought both tokens that Randy Weir had with him, an XF Wellington-Waterloo 1/2d and a gourgeous 1837 Habitant 1d that should go AU55-MS62. An 1883-H 25c from Smythe in AU, a 1919 25c MS63ish and a nicely toned set of Nova Scotia 1864 1/2 +1 cent in NGC 64RB + 62RB holders from Jeff Zarit, an AU 1894 Newfie 10c, and a 1912 PCGS MS64 Newfie 20c.
British gold, German silver, South American crowns, conder tokens, ancients were everywhere it seemed. I even bought a DH-9 Dublin piece, which is a 1795 mule of a Washington Liberty + Security cent and Irish 1/2d. A neat historical item connecting colonial USA and Ireland.
Must have seen 30 Goetz bronze pieces and a few silver, along with a couple dozen of his patterns. Lots of NGC holdered coins, in fact I'd say of the total TPG coins 2/3 were in NGC slabs with about 25% of them in the new 3 tab slab.
I also saw a Una and the Lion in NGC PR64 (?). Wow!
Finished the day at the PCGS table submitting 6 on my beauties. While there Don Willis walks in. A down to earth, collector at heart kinda guy. Easy to talk to and very knowledgeable. He hinted at some more changes, he called them adjustments. BTW, World coins and US coins each have their own form now. The handling charge increased to $8 per order, Trueview is available as an extraservice (must write it on the form) and is now $10 per coin, and postage fees have increased again.
I saw rwyarmch but didn't get a chance to talk with him as we were both in the middle of deals and when done he was gone. While taking a break Bob - CoinKat stopped and we had a nice talk about what we bought what, we saw, and what we wanted to buy. >>
great report, thanks Gene! yummmmm.........Una huh?! As a former (half) owner of one, PF64 UC, they are stunning coins in person. Wish i could have kept it forever, but my friend was itchin' to sell it for a tidy profit, which we did. he just didn't get the beauty or rarity of it as I did.
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<< <i>With the snow predicted tomorrow we have opted to take the train up instead of driving. I wonder if the weather will have impact too? I will bring my checkbook
Cathy >>
So,we're now waiting for Cathy's report. I'm curious. How busy or well equipped was NEN's or Teller's table? How about Karl?
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Karl seemed to have the usual traffic, however, from my brief look, I did not see something for me there.
Teller had some terrific coins
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Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors
Collector of:
Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
My Ebay
Then, early Sunday morning, I realized that the NYINC was still on and there was a guy from whom to buy trays. So, despite the broken tooth and streets like a skating rink, off to Manhattan I went.
The show on Sunday morning was lightly attended, so I went over to Richard Margolis and gave him the third degree about his medals. To make sure he knew I meant business, I knocked over one of this table lights and almost broke a display case!
Anyway, he did not have any medalist that I particularly like, but it turned out he had six Dutch medals, four of which I grabbed. And I thought I was doing so well to limit my purchases on Friday. <Sigh>
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<< <i>So,we're now waiting for Cathy's report. I'm curious. How busy or well equipped was NEN's or Teller's table? How about Karl? >>
Not much I'm afraid. I managed to badly pull a muscle in my back excercising the day before (that'll teach me) and I was Really Sore on Saturday. We did take the train which was way more pleasant than driving. My husband suprised me and had gotten us a room at the Waldorf-Astoria which was wonderful, and greatly appreciated by me. When we got there (about 11:00ish) we were even able to get into our room early. I don't think I would have tolerated any walking between the Soldiers/Airman/etc place --so I'm sure we saved enough on cab fare to make up the difference between the room rates (
Anyway, I changed into some decent clothes (just to tell you how rare that is, my oldest son was flabergasted that I had something over my toes--that's called pantyhose son--I guess he'd never seen me wear any), sent the boys off to FAO Schwartz and headed upstairs about 11:30 or so. I was really too miserable to totally enjoy everything and if I saw any regular forumites I didn't know it.
First I went to NEN and picked up my auction prize--they had alot of gold out and then slabs arranged alphabetically--up to the G's only, so they fished out a few Japan slabs for me to look at. I didn't even look at the gold--which was silly because I'd brought a trading coin with me and totally forgot to look for trades--at any of the tables.
I also got to look at Paul Bosco's medals--and much to my surprise he recognized my name off my name tag. I'd recently won a nice Swiss shooting medal from him (that I swore I wouldn't collect and had even sold my other one....) and a couple of more recent minor coins. It's funny though, I used my super-secret-alternative-ebay account that happens to have the word darkside in it and he made a funny comment on that. He must not hang out here because I had to explain that darkside means non-US numismatics on 'electronic forum'...actually more than one now. He had a very lovely medal that would have suited my collection well, but was just a little bit much for me right now. I do have an invitation to email him every six months about the Roty Maternite medal that's my number one medal goal right now.
I wandered around a bit--again totally forgetting all about my 'trading coin', which is too bad. I saw a ton of interesting coins including a cool, Italian/Piedmont coin I like--it has a representation of Italia that I swear looks about 7 months pregnant every time I see it
I did have a seat at Karl Stephen's table--after hearing so many of you talk about the joys of KS I had to stick there for a minute. I'm sure I could have found way more to look at, but I just checked out his Japanese coins and found four I loved--a 1/2 sen, a 5 sen and a couple 10 sens of varying years. I also picked up a copy of his mail-out list and signed up
One other thing that was good is that I picked up some coins from GMarguli--he is both taller and younger than I would have expected (why on earth would I think about how tall someone is by their internet presence????) and very nice. He was kind enough to bring some coins out with him for me to see--I've gotten a number of really cool aluminum French territory coins from him over the last couple years so he knows I have an interest (it's been a group I've had a ton of fun accumulating as they are not too expensive and finding a really nice aluminum coins is a real treat for me). I got four more to feed the addiction
I really wish I'd felt better, I went to my room after about 3 hours and fell asleep. I forgot about my trading coin, only wrote two checks (I only brought four, but still!), didn't really socialize much and I'm sure missed a whole bunch. But I still had fun, got some cool coins, and if nothing else, didn't break the bank!
That night the family unit went out to dinner and saw Mary Poppins--which was way more fun than I expected (lots of new songs and not just trying to tell the same exact story as the movie--very entertaining). Woke up feeling better, went to the zoo to see the polar bears and penguins (though in that weather I preferred the Rainforest) and caught our train home. It was a really nice weekend--if only I hadn't wrenched my back so badly it would have been perfect. I'm sorry I missed out on meeting more people, but I was just not up to that part of it all.
Cathy
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