Everyone bow once again to the SEC
lsutigers1973
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I hate pulling for the Gators but had to tonight.
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I'm kind of embarrassed they're in the same Big Twelve conference as the defending National Basketball champion Kansas Jayhawks.
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boo do you think the players do????
<< <i>boo do you think the players do???? >>
I'm sure they do-- as they should. But as spectators it's very hard to believe that the BCS 'gets it right' even a fraction of the time when you have a system that is based on the following:
1) A close win against a bad team is better than a close loss against an excellent team.
2) A loss early in the year-- no matter who you lose to-- is better than a loss later in the year.
3) Preseason rankings influence the final standings.
I enjoyed tonights game, and think Florida put forth an admirable performance, but I'm not at all convinced that Florida is the best team in the country. In fact, I'm not convinced that ANY one team is the best in the country, which I guess is my point.
If you're a fan of another SEC school, you should be kicking and screaming right now and not applauding Florida. All those recruits in the southeast are dreaming of Gator orange and National Championships. The rest of the overrated SEC schools just took one step back!
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<< <i>Remind me again why you want us to bow to the SEC?
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Six bowl wins this year. More then any other conference.
2-0 against the "awesome" Big 12 South. Ole Miss and Florida beat two of their best.
3 consecutive national championships....Florida, LSU, Florida
Last time a conference won 3 consecutive national championships was 1978-1980
(Alabama, Alabama, Georgia)
If anyone still thinks that the SEC is not top to bottom the best conf in NCAA then you are either not looking objectively or just looking through your schools/conf colored glasses
They have powerhouse every year and for the most part the mid tier SEC teams crush the other conferences teams (sans Alabama this year)
<< <i>mid tier SEC teams crush the other conferences teams (sans Alabama this year) >>
Don't forget the mighty Gamec__ks. Iowa took them to the woodshed.
THIS YEAR the SEC is not very good top to bottom. The TOP, Florida is a very good team, but after that,,,,,,,
See the final AP poll for the evidence.
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
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<< <i>boo do you think the players do???? >>
I'm sure they do-- as they should. But as spectators it's very hard to believe that the BCS 'gets it right' even a fraction of the time when you have a system that is based on the following:
1) A close win against a bad team is better than a close loss against an excellent team.
2) A loss early in the year-- no matter who you lose to-- is better than a loss later in the year.
3) Preseason rankings influence the final standings.
I enjoyed tonights game, and think Florida put forth an admirable performance, but I'm not at all convinced that Florida is the best team in the country. In fact, I'm not convinced that ANY one team is the best in the country, which I guess is my point. >>
True. Heck, I'm not so sure the Philadelphia Phillies were the best team in baseball last year. Even though they won "the series", does that make them the best team in baseball last year ? I would say the Rays won the best division in baseball, and deserved to be
called the best overall team in baseball because they had the most wins of any team in baseball.
<< <i>If anyone still thinks that the SEC is not top to bottom the best conf in NCAA then you are either not looking objectively or just looking through your schools/conf colored glasses
They have powerhouse every year and for the most part the mid tier SEC teams crush the other conferences teams (sans Alabama this year) >>
Who's looking through "conference" glasses? The SEC, prior to the bowl games this year, played next to nobody out of conference. Their best out-of-conference win was against #21 Florida St (Florida). This "powerful" SEC conference had some struggles and even losses against marginal to terrible teams. The only good out-of-conference games that SEC teams scheduled were mostly losses. Florida did beat #21 FSU as mentioned. Georgia lost to #22 Georgia Tech. Auburn lost to #23 W. Virginia. Arkansas crushed by #4 Texas. Mississippi St crushed by #22 Georgia Tech. Further... they had some bad losses.
- Vandy, a team that went 4-4 in the SEC, lost to ACC football powerhouses Duke (4-8 /1-7 in conference).
- S. Carolina (4-4 in the SEC) got toasted by a Clemson (7-6) and struggled to beat Wofford.
- Kentucky (only 2-6 in the SEC, but 7-6 overall) had to comeback late against Middle Tennessee St (5-7 /3-4). Their strongest out-of-conference win was against Louisville. Louisville went 5-7, but was only 1-6 in the Big East.
- Tennessee (3-5 in the SEC) lost to Wyoming (4-8 /1-7 in conference) and UCLA (4-8 /3-6) while struggling to beat N. Illinois (6-7)
- Mississippi (5-3 in the SEC) lost to Wake (8-5).
- LSU (8-5 /3-5) should have lost to Troy (7-4), but made what I will call an amazing comeback. They were losing 31-10 at the end of the third... to Troy!!!
- Arkansas (5-7 /2-6) had to comeback by a 10 point deficit in the 4th to beat Western Illinois (6-5). They followed that up by having to comeback by 13 points in the 4th to beat Louisiana-Monroe (4-8) by 1.
And so on... Pre-bowls, who had the SEC actually beaten out-of-conference??? More importantly, who had they even played? The SEC played the majority of their out-of-conference games against teams like UAB, Citadel, Georgia Southern, Wofford, N. Illinois, Middle Tennessee St, Norfolk St, Western Kentucky, Tulane, Arkansas St, Louisiana-Monroe, Samford, North Texas, Troy, Tennessee-Martin, Western Illinois, Southeastern Louisiana... Some were scheduled multiple times by different SEC teams.
Now, on to the bowl wins.
- Florida beat #5 Oklahoma. Huge win. Nothing to debate here.
- Alabama lost to #2 Utah 31-17. Utah led by as much as 17 (started game 17-0). Utah outgained Alabama by like 140 total yards. To compare, Florida beat Alabama by less (31-20). They had to comeback in the 4th to do so. They only outgained Alabama by like 35 total yards. To justify, Utah IS the only unbeaten team this year in the top 25.
- Georgia beat #24 Michigan St. MSU was arguably slightly overrated though IMO. State did have a solid win against a very good Iowa team, but got demolished by 30+ by both OSU and PSU. Still, solid win for the SEC.
- Vandy beat BC. Decent win. Good for Vandy to win their first bowl since the last time Fred Flintstone went to a game.
- S. Carolina slammed by #20 Iowa 31-10.
- Kentucky beat E. Carolina. Okay win against a Conference USA foe.
- Mississippi beat #12 Texas Tech - Big win = upset. All that needs to be said.
- LSU thumps #22 Georgia Tech. Solid win against a team that plays in a great conference... during basketball season
Now to compare, I think this years toughest conference was actually the Pac 10. First, solid out-of-conference wins and good/bad losses before the bowl games...
- USC crushes Ohio St (10-3/ 7-1) 35-3.
- Oregon losses to #11 Boise St (12-1 /8-0) 37-32
- Oregon St. hammered by #8 Penn St (11-2 /7-1) 45-14 --- lost to #2 Utah (13-0 /8-0) 31-28
- California beat #24 Michigan St (9-4 /6-2) 38-31 --- lost @ Maryland (8-5/ 4-4) 35-27
- Arizona lost to New Mexico (4-8 /2-6) 36-28
- Stanford (5-7 / 4-5) lost to #7 TCU (11-2 /7-1) 31-14 --- lost to Notre Dame (7-6) 28-21
- Arizona St. (5-7 /4-5) lost to UNLV (5-7 /2-6) 23-20 in OT --- handled by #13 Georgia (10-3/ 6-2) 27-10
- UCLA (4-8 / 3-6) crushed by #25 BYU (10-3 /6-2) 59-0 --- lost to Fresno St. (7-6 / 4-4) 36-31
- Washington St. sucked, but did at least play #16 Oklahoma St (got walked on). They also had a bad loss to Baylor and lost to Hawaii (7-7).
- Washington (0-12) - out-of-conference losses to #25 BYU (10-3 /6-2) 28-27 --- #5 Oklahoma (12-2 /7-1) 55-14 --- Notre Dame (7-6) 33-7. Yes, they blew a$$ but at least all of their out-of-conference games were scheduled against teams that went to Bowl games
The Pac 10 did schedule some cream puffs, but basically all of those games were blowouts like they were supposed to be. And to be clear, the Pac 10 played a different version of creampuffs than the SEC did. Here's a rundown of what kind of teams the PAC 10 conference played that would be considered creampuffs IMO. Feel free to compare them to the SEC list above.
The Pac 10 played these out-of-conference "creampuffs" - Virginia, Utah St, Purdue, Hawaii (7-7), Colorado St (7-6), Idaho, Toledo, New Mexico, San Jose St (6-6), Northern Arizona, UNLV, Baylor, Portland St... I suspect people can see the difference in what I'd call creampuff teams on each teams schedule.
Many of the teams the Pac 10 played were either poor teams in solid conferences or tougher teams in marginal conferences. The SEC basically ran right to second class schools. The Pac 10 also obviously scheduled more top 25 teams by far than the SEC did. The Pac 10 had wins against (final rankings) #9 OSU & #24 Michigan St. But they also played games against #2 Utah, #5 Oklahoma, #7 TCU, #9 PSU, #11 Boise, #13 Georgia, #16 Oklahoma St, #25 BYU (twice).
As for the Bowl games, The Pac 10 finished 5-0.
- USC handled #8 PSU fairly easily. Very good win over Big 10 champ. PSU trashed Oregon St (the only team to beat USC) early in the season.
- Oregon won a shootout with #16 Oklahoma St. OSU's only losses were to #4, #5 & #12.
- Oregon St. beat Pittsburgh in a snorefest 3-0.
- Cal beat Miami 24-17. Game was probably closer than it should have been.
- Arizona beats #25 BYU 31-21.
In the end, I could discuss numbers all day. Many might say numbers don't matter, but it's evident that the SEC ducks competition early unlike the Pac 10. And no, I'm no USC or Pac 10 fan. To be clear, I'm a Michigan fan so I obviously have no dog in this fight. In the end, I believe the 2 best teams in the country didn't play yesterday. USC & Utah.
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but it's evident that the SEC ducks competition . >>
The SEC was 6-2 against the other conferences this year in the bowls.
No other conference had as many wins as the SEC.
The SEC also had the two greatest ranking differential wins this year.
An unranked LSU team destroyed #14 Georgia Tech 35-3.
#25 Ole Miss beat #7 Texas Tech pretty well too.
If your team had to play an SEC schedule, you'd take some weeks off too.
You also probably thought USC was better then Texas in 2006 too.
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He basically said that he didn't want to take away anything from the two teams playing in the BCS Championship game and said they (USC) did everything they could do this year, short of going undefeated, and were very proud to be Rose Bowl Champions. He also has said many times that they do need some type of a playoff system.
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Maybe our New President-elect Obama will help bring forth a playoff system as he said yesterday will need one. I know it's not a Presidential issue, but maybe he can help raise more awareness. lol
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but it's evident that the SEC ducks competition . >>
The SEC was 6-2 against the other conferences this year in the bowls.
No other conference had as many wins as the SEC.
The SEC also had the two greatest ranking differential wins this year.
An unranked LSU team destroyed #14 Georgia Tech 35-3.
#25 Ole Miss beat #7 Texas Tech pretty well too.
If your team had to play an SEC schedule, you'd take some weeks off too.
You also probably thought USC was better then Texas in 2006 too.
Most of the other conferences that could field 8 teams don't play all of the garbage teams the SEC does. So instead of playing 3 non-conference games that guarantee a win, some play against at least 2 teams that should compete with them. 1 loss can break a teams chances of going to a bowl. But it's cool. I remember when the BCS told teams strength of schedule mattered and said strong teams needed to schedule stong out-of-conference opponents to bolster their standing with the BCS formula. Apparently it's not necessary.
Again, the SEC is tough but not as tough as some (like you) think. Where's the proof? Aside from a few nice bowl wins, the conference did nothing. They played nobody. But I guess it makes it so if you pound your chest and say it's so, eh?
And for the record, I do believe USC was better than Texas in'06. But Texas outplayed them and won. I don't think USC was a lot better though. It was a great game and both teams were evenly matched. USC blew their chance to win late and Texas capitalized.
The BEST defense generally always beats the great offense. The SEC now has 5 national titles in the 11 BCS bowl years....and they want a playoff! The BCS is good to the SEC. USC can sit back and lick the Rose Bowl's ass all they want....have fun playing for second place every year.
and ps, over the last 25 years, 10 National Champions have been from the state of Florida....Miami 5, Florida 3, and FSU 2. This doesn't even take in to account the second place finishes for those programs. Miami has lost 4 (finished 2nd) and Florida/FSU at least 2 a piece. EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE. Go look it up.
<< <i>Also, shouldn't the BCS consider doing something about teams being able to play a "home game" for the championship? Florida gets to play in Florida this year, LSU 70 miles away from home last year, USC playing in the Rose Bowl, etc... It's obviously an advantage and they should eliminate any possible advantage within their powers if possible. >>
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And for the record, I do believe USC was better than Texas in'06. . >>
And c'mon, admit it, you also thought that Reggie Bush was one of the best college running backs of all time.
C'mon, be a man and admit it. You bought the ESPN hype, didn't you. C'mon, just say yes, you know it's true.
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And for the record, I do believe USC was better than Texas in'06. . >>
And c'mon, admit it, you also thought that Reggie Bush was one of the best college running backs of all time.
C'mon, be a man and admit it. You bought the ESPN hype, didn't you. C'mon, just say yes, you know it's true.
Nope, I used to trash USC all the time on here against Ax. I felt Bush was overrated then and I think it's kinda obvious now, as far as pro potential is concerned. I was crazy enough to think Michigan was better than USC a few years ago and you saw what that did. As I said, I'm a Michigan fan. I hate USC. But I still think they were better than Texas then ('06) and better than Florida this year.
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Nope, I used to trash USC all the time on here against Ax. I felt Bush was overrated then and I think it's kinda obvious now, as far as pro potential is concerned. I was crazy enough to think Michigan was better than USC a few years ago and you saw what that did. As I said, I'm a Michigan fan. I hate USC. But I still think they were better than Texas then ('06) and better than Florida this year. >>
How did you feel about Auburn, Oklahoma, and USC in 2004 ?
Auburn had four players taken in the 1st round in the NFL draft from that undefeated team, and didn't get a shot at USC.
OU got destroyed.
I too was saying that Bush would be a good receiver in the NFL, but was too skinny to be a full time back. He was also running
against swish cheese defenses in college.
I won't argue with you about USC being better then Texas, but I felt all along that Vince Young was unstoppable that year.
I had Texas to win that game, and I never doubted it for a minute. The guy was just money all season long.
<< <i> How did you feel about Auburn, Oklahoma, and USC in 2004 ?
Auburn had four players taken in the 1st round in the NFL draft from that undefeated team, and didn't get a shot at USC.
OU got destroyed. >>
I don't think Oklahoma should have been in the game. Auburn went undefeated in a big conference, while Oklahoma dumped a game along the way. I think Oklahoma had a considerably tougher schedule that year, but they lost a game so that's the end of that arguement. But yes, I think Auburn deserved to be there and got shafted, much in the way Utah has this year.