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Platinum............only $9.00 to go..............

jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
Platinum is only $9.00 from breaking $1,000 again. Just FYI.

Car manufacturing may not rebound quickly if consumer priorities are being re-ordered, but you simply have to consider the current conditions to be the low point. Vehicles will have to be replaced at some point. Not yet, but at some point.

Platinum's supply situation will again become important. Real demand will catch up with the over-consumption way of doing business before too long. Maybe another 2 years. And when it does, don't expect to see platinum under $1,000 again.

Of course, all of this could change in a moment if inflation becomes the issue.
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    $31 now.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $31 now.

    Now you see why I don't try to time my purchases.image
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • What in an automobile contains plat besides the cat converter? They have already created a new converter which uses a fraction of the older style.
    Its all relative
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What in an automobile contains plat besides the cat converter? They have already created a new converter which uses a fraction of the older style.

    Have all the car companies implemented it or is this just smoke and mirrors? Is the new design less efficient or does it wear out faster? Just askin'.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • Nissan:

    Nissan has developed a new catalyst for its gasoline-powered cars that requires only half the amount of precious metals that current designs call for. The catalyst or catalytic converter is a piece of the exhaust system filled with a mix of platinum, rhodium and palladium that captures harmful toxins in a car's exhaust such as nitrogen oxide, carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons by triggering a chemical reaction.

    Engineers at Nissan used new nanotechnology to prevent the gathering of the precious metals in the catalyst under high temperatures, which meant less of the expensive stuff was required to clean the exhaust.

    Less metal means less cost, which means more savings for customers. Nissan will be sharing the technology with its French partner Renault and the first cars with the new system should be on the market by early '09. Hopefully this will also mean a reduction in the number of catalytic converters being stolen.


    Here is link to another article. Doesn't appear they are using the technology yet but will be in the near future. I think I read somewhere 50-60% of Platinum goes into the converters seems that would put a damper on its supply/demand.

    new generation of catalytic converters that use 70 to 90 per cent less of the precious metals
    Its all relative
  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So with platinum going up as of late, was the drop overdone and now it is seeking "normalcy"? I don't think it's going up due to an anticipation of a robust auto market.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So with platinum going up as of late, was the drop overdone and now it is seeking "normalcy"? I don't think it's going up due to an anticipation of a robust auto market.

    I don't think that we've heard the last of the power supply problems in the mines, nor have we heard the last of the fact that the mines are being depleted.

    But in the meantime, I think that the price of platinum will be mostly influenced by the burgeoning money supply being created by those wild and crazy guys at the Fed, and those masters of deception at the Treasury Dept.

    I see platinum as a tool for diversification within the pm group. Cramer wouldn't agree with me, but that's ok.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • Any guesses as to how long platinum will be used in autos? Ten years? Twenty? What happens to demand after that if there is no new big industrial usage? To me, that seems like a lot of uncertainty for long term buyers when most of the industrial demand is from one industry that is planning an eventual change away from internal combustion engines. The question is when and how quickly.




  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have there been any estimates as to what the price of platinum would be if industrial demand declined steeply? Some jewelry demand and investment demand would remain, and if the price went low enough, additional uses for the metal might begin making economic sense.

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the 30 day!!! Interesting!!

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plat did it this morning.


  • << <i>Plat did it this morning. >>



    Did what?

    It got close to 1K then fell back below $990.

    I just don't see Plat making any strong moves in the near future. Primary uses are industrial scrubbers and cat converters. Both are down with this economy and the demand for jewelry isn't exactly lookng strong either.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kitco is reporting the high for the day at $1007. The last trade for Platinum futures (PLJ9) was $1001.


  • << <i>Kitco is reporting the high for the day at $1007. The last trade for Platinum futures (PLJ9) was $1001. >>



    I run a Kitco ticker on my desktop.

    It shows a high of $998 and then the fall back. I almost never go to Kitco anymore.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    wow....almost 20% in a month

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