Is Steve Hart on a long vacation?

lsutigers1973 · January 5, 2009 5:11AM

New arrivals and monthly specials have not changed in almost 4 months.

HeritageAddict · January 5, 2009 5:13AM

I've been wondering the same thing. I've really had the itch to order something lately, but there just hasn't been anything new.

PROMETHIUS88 · January 5, 2009 5:21AM

Someone call!!! It's time for anothet group rip... isn't it? I think I missed out on the last one!

jeffcbay · January 5, 2009 5:22AM

<< Someone call!!! It's time for anothet group rip... isn't it? I think I missed out on the last one! >>

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

lsutigers1973 · January 5, 2009 5:28AM

Group rip has been discussed through PM's but no one seems to want to do the same old thing again. I keep checking BBCE for new ideas but there never seems to be any new inventory. I even checked BBCKid and Dacardworld but they have basically the same inventory but the prices are higher.

VitoCo1972 · January 5, 2009 5:43AM

I'm still out of this due to lack of a job, but one of these days I'd love to do a set building rip where we all can build nice NM-MT-Mint sets of 79, 80 and 81 Topps or something like that. If think if we settled on a year and everyone bought 2 boxes, we could do this very well.

nightcrawler · January 5, 2009 6:16AM

<< Group rip has been discussed through PM's but no one seems to want to do the same old thing again. >>

So have the group rips become a private matter now?

jeffcbay · January 5, 2009 6:24AM

I think it's just people privately kicking around ideas before posting a public group rip idea.

lsutigers1973 · January 5, 2009 6:26AM

<< So have the group rips become a private matter now? >>

Yep. Trying to keep out the Canadians and skilow.

nam812 · January 5, 2009 6:27AM

<< So have the group rips become a private matter now? >>

Yes Trent. I heard from a guy who knows a guy whose cousin's brother's aunt's nephew said that they're doing it through PM to try to exclude you. Could be just hearsay though.

lsutigers1973 · January 5, 2009 6:30AM

PM sent Nick and Jeff

nightcrawler · January 5, 2009 6:32AM

Well screw this, I'm quiting the hobby.

And I probably won't be back... til after supper.

MBMiller25 · January 5, 2009 6:46AM

Ide be interested in a group rip if you something together!

Gonblott · January 5, 2009 7:15AM

I would like to join in on the break too!

nam812 · January 5, 2009 7:18AM

Thanks for the PM Bill. Oh and Trent, it isn't hearsay.

thedutymon · January 5, 2009 7:27AM

<< New arrivals and monthly specials have not changed in almost 4 months. >>

Steve is just trying to protect you from yourself and your buying more of that useless 80's Baseball Junk, Bill !!!

Neil

lsutigers1973 · January 5, 2009 8:16AM

<< Steve is just trying to protect you from yourself and your buying more of that useless 80's Baseball Junk, Bill !!! >>

But that's all he seems to have right now. Steve, if you read this, please don't force me to buy some more 86 Topps and 88 Donruss baseball cases. Anyone interested in purchasing some 88 Donruss wax boxes, I will sell them for $14 delivered.

nightcrawler · January 5, 2009 8:55AM

Hey skilow, wanna play some floor hockey?

These guys can't play cuz they might get hurt.

jswieton · January 5, 2009 9:30AM

Everyone should throw out ideas on what to rip. Here are some things I would be interested in, I am kind of sick of 79 baseball.:

A case of 87 Donruss baseball
2001 SP GOlf Box
1989 UD high# baseball case

TheVon · January 5, 2009 9:55AM

Maybe Steve is just saving his cash for that huge 1975 Topps Mini auction that is coming up in a few months.

Dboneesq · January 5, 2009 10:14AM

Removed wrong thread sorry

PROMETHIUS88 · January 5, 2009 11:11AM

I'd try another of the 89 Upper Deck boxes... would prefer low#s. Also missed out on the 77 or 78 opc... I always forget which ones they are. Anyhow, gonna have to get one goining soon as I'm going to schedule a Vegas trip for March and then the wife will tighten the noose!

uyu906 · January 6, 2009 12:54AM

I would love to do 1975-1977 Topps Baseball.

miklia · January 6, 2009 1:02AM

how about an all o-pee-chee rip? a couple of baseball and a couple of hockey boxes?

jeffcbay · January 6, 2009 1:34AM

I have an idea... but it's just a joke... I think... kind of. There is NO WAY I would be willing to set this thing up.

Here's my idea... this isn't so much as a group rip, but more like an investment idea (a bad one, I know). We should pool our money together and buy the 1952 Topps Pack he has. We would have it opened (with witnesses, and on video, probably have Steve do it) have all five cards graded, no matter what (stains, corners, whatever), then sold in an auction (ebay or otherwise). If Steve sold the pack to us for $5500 (even though he may offer 10% off, we'll leave it at $5500 just for math purposes), it would cost us $175 to submit the cards (Express Option), plus $53.50 for shipping ($26.75 to and from approx.). That would give us a total of $5728.50. Round it up to $5800 to cover any auction or paypal fees. Divide $5800.00 cost by (29) people, and that's exactly $200.00 per person.

Before you start pounding me, these are approximate numbers. If we were crazy enough to do this, someone smarter and more reliable than me would have to run it. (obviously)

AGAIN, this is more like a "wouldn't this be cool if we were crazy enough to do it" thing. Here's the way I look at it, I've spent $200 on group rips in the past, and had worse results than I would ever get with ripping a pack like this. Even if we ripped this pack and pulled (5) PSA 5 commons that sold for $20 each, that would still beat some of the profits I've had in the past with dropping $200 on packs (see 2008 Allen & Ginter, lol). Regardless, I would be more than willing to throw in $200 just to be able to say I was a part of ripping a 1952 Topps pack. This is totally up to you guys, I just think it would be COOL. Anyway, don't beat me up too much for bringing it up.

PROMETHIUS88 · January 6, 2009 1:44AM

The 52 Topps rip doesn't sound too wacky to me. Let's look at some of the other stuff we've had on these boards!

I'm in!

brianwintersfan · January 6, 2009 2:00AM

<< I would love to do 1975-1977 Topps Baseball. >>

That sounds like fun!

leathtech · January 6, 2009 2:33AM

<< Everyone should throw out ideas on what to rip. Here are some things I would be interested in, I am kind of sick of 79 baseball.:

A case of 87 Donruss baseball
2001 SP GOlf Box
1989 UD high# baseball case >>

Any of those sound good to me!

TheVon · January 6, 2009 2:56AM

I think the '52 Topps rip would be interesting to try, but it seems like a definite financial loss. That doesn't mean I wouldn't do it though. It just might be better financially to buy the pack for $5500 and then sell it on eBay for $4000.

jeffcbay · January 6, 2009 3:02AM

Yeah, I would look at it more like a lottery ticket. With lottery tickets, you don't look for the sure thing, you look for the possible jackpot! Darn this article for planting this into my skull...

thenavarro · January 6, 2009 6:31AM

I emailed Steve back in December 2007 on the 52 Topps pack that was listed on the website as I had crazy thoughts myself of taking a chance and he indicated that it was a series 1 pack. That would do away with the chance of pulling Mantle and the other key high numbers.

I'm assuming that the pack on his website is still the same one from 12/07, but that might be a bad assumption.

Mike

Dboneesq · January 6, 2009 6:40AM

Mike,

I think the only pack POSSIBLY worth the rip, if it were not a Mantle Series (but DAMN ... a high series pack would cost a LOT!) would be series 1 and pray like hell for a real clean PAFKO!

jeffcbay · January 6, 2009 6:41AM

Great point! There are still many great cards in the Series 1 packs (Pafko, Berra, Mays), but that dramatically decreases the chances to hitting anything to call home about. I'd STILL plop down $200 for 1/29th though! lol

jrinck · January 6, 2009 7:16AM

BBCE is advertising in SCD that they are buying. Full page cover ad, even.

Maybe he's sitting on cash and there hasn't been anything worth buying for him?

PROMETHIUS88 · January 6, 2009 10:04AM

I guess he either saw what we were contemplating, or someone decided to get it before we did cause the 52 Topps pack is no longer showing on his site. What gives????

summerof68 · January 6, 2009 10:29AM

I had assumed that because we are in a recession Steve Hart would be flooded with people wanting to unload their vintage unopened material and that "new arrivals" on his website would be a regular occurance. But as mentioned in this thread this hasn't been the case. Back in 1991, during the last big recession here in southern California, I vividly recall visiting one of the largest national mail order companies at that time and they told me they had eight sellers for every one buyer coming into their store!! The owner showed me a sample of some of the beautiful high-grade '50's cards that he was picking up for only 20% of book value-in particular a near flawless '57 Mantle he bought for only $150 and a similarly conditioned '53 Mantle for $300. The owner told me even though the hobby was currently in the dumps he would buy each and every quality vintage card offered to him at 20% book value knowing the hobby would rebound in the coming years. At that time I thought he was really taking a chance but of course it turned out he was right and the hobby did turn around a few years later and I'm sure he made a killing when PSA started grading around '96 (I think). The owner is still around today and is a nationally known name--Dave Kohler--owner of Sportscardsplus in Laguna Niguel, California.

nam812 · January 6, 2009 10:29AM

<< Great point! There are still many great cards in the Series 1 packs (Pafko, Berra, Mays)............. >>

Berra (#191) and Mays (#261) are not in series 1.

In series 1 you would have a shot at hall of famers like: Rizzuto, Irvin, Spahn, Snider, Roberts, and Slaughter. You'd also have a shot at stars like Hodges and Kluszewski (among others).

rube26105 · January 6, 2009 5:50PM

evildoer,maybe hesd hiding in aruba, be a good place in the cold this time odf year for people with riggin pils

jeffcbay · January 6, 2009 10:18PM

I assumed Series 1 was 1-310... I must be wrong. You'll have to forgive my ignorance, I'm a modern card collector with just an interest in the vintage.

slantycouch · January 6, 2009 10:22PM

<< I have an idea... but it's just a joke... I think... kind of. There is NO WAY I would be willing to set this thing up.

Here's my idea... this isn't so much as a group rip, but more like an investment idea (a bad one, I know). We should pool our money together and buy the 1952 Topps Pack he has. We would have it opened (with witnesses, and on video, probably have Steve do it) have all five cards graded, no matter what (stains, corners, whatever), then sold in an auction (ebay or otherwise). If Steve sold the pack to us for $5500 (even though he may offer 10% off, we'll leave it at $5500 just for math purposes), it would cost us $175 to submit the cards (Express Option), plus $53.50 for shipping ($26.75 to and from approx.). That would give us a total of $5728.50. Round it up to $5800 to cover any auction or paypal fees. Divide $5800.00 cost by (29) people, and that's exactly $200.00 per person.

Before you start pounding me, these are approximate numbers. If we were crazy enough to do this, someone smarter and more reliable than me would have to run it. (obviously)

AGAIN, this is more like a "wouldn't this be cool if we were crazy enough to do it" thing. Here's the way I look at it, I've spent $200 on group rips in the past, and had worse results than I would ever get with ripping a pack like this. Even if we ripped this pack and pulled (5) PSA 5 commons that sold for $20 each, that would still beat some of the profits I've had in the past with dropping $200 on packs (see 2008 Allen & Ginter, lol). Regardless, I would be more than willing to throw in $200 just to be able to say I was a part of ripping a 1952 Topps pack. This is totally up to you guys, I just think it would be COOL. Anyway, don't beat me up too much for bringing it up. >>

You could probably get back $150-200 auctioning the wrapper, too.

undrr8td · January 7, 2009 6:19AM

ok ive been lurking but im still new what is this group break you speak of?

lsutigers1973 · January 7, 2009 6:48AM

We post a list of cards from one year and usually one set from various sports (except hockey) based on the inventory at BBCE. Everyone commits to and purchases a specific number of packs from each box. BBCE ships them directly to the person that purchases the packs and we bust 'em and post scans on the thread.

fattymacs · January 7, 2009 6:54AM

Don't let lsutigers1973 (aka Bill) fool you, Hockey is a huge part of these group rips. (insert smiley, if I knew how)

artistlost · January 7, 2009 6:59AM

<< (except hockey) >>

If we did some good O-pee-chee Hockey sets from the 80's I for one would be in.

Maybe Yzerman's RC year as it also has LaFontaine, Gilmour, Chelios, Verbeek, Neely and a handful of other key rookies. Or Hull and Shanahan's RC year. Or Roy or Lemeuix...lots of great years in the 80's for o-pee-chee hockey

mathew

lsutigers1973 · January 7, 2009 8:02AM

I believe it was 80/81 OPC we tried to do not long ago. I was even in for a few packs. After 4 days we had only sold about 15 packs so I pulled them.

SidePocket · January 7, 2009 8:08AM

Nam, series 1 was cards 1-80?

Is Steve Hart on a long vacation?

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