Would this rare 1951 Bowman Mantle command more auction dollars in a PSA slab?

rbdjr1 · January 3, 2009 11:37PM

This 1961 Bowman #253 Mickey Mantle SGC 84 is being auctioned at the upcoming SCP Auction,

Don't you think it would do better in a PSA Slab rather than a SGC coffin? (guess I just noted my opinion?)

What are your comments and feelings about this?

rd

shagrotn77 · January 3, 2009 11:38PM

I think it'll do just fine as is. PSA might downgrade it because of the tilt, but it looks like a solid NM card. There are a lot of SGC believers out there. Overall they do a very nice job, just like PSA.

Blackie · January 3, 2009 11:39PM

Just my opinion I would keep it in SGC slab. Very nice presentation!!!

fattymacs · January 3, 2009 11:50PM

PSA 7:

12/14/08 Memory Lane Auction | Image $9,159.12
11/14/08 Goodwin Auction | Image $11,166.00
9/14/08 Memory Lane Auction | Image $10,665.50
5/2/08 Heritage $8,365.00
12/14/07 Mastro $8,012.40
1/7/07 eBay $7,500.00
12/15/06 eBay $7,200.00
12/14/06 Memory Lane $7,555.25
12/8/06 Mastro $10,779.60
10/29/06 eBay $7,700.00
8/19/06 Mastro $11,611.30
6/15/06 Mile High $7,940.18
4/3/06 Mastro $10,555.00
11/16/05 Memory Lane $7,843.00

SGC 84

5/2/08 Heritage $8,365.00
3/6/08 Goodwin $9,595.00
11/30/06 SCP $8,287.00

According to VCP, PSA 7's are around +$932 on average to SGC 84's

rbdjr1 · January 4, 2009 12:00AM

<< PSA 7:

12/14/08 Memory Lane Auction | Image $9,159.12
11/14/08 Goodwin Auction | Image $11,166.00
9/14/08 Memory Lane Auction | Image $10,665.50
5/2/08 Heritage $8,365.00
12/14/07 Mastro $8,012.40
1/7/07 eBay $7,500.00
12/15/06 eBay $7,200.00
12/14/06 Memory Lane $7,555.25
12/8/06 Mastro $10,779.60
10/29/06 eBay $7,700.00
8/19/06 Mastro $11,611.30
6/15/06 Mile High $7,940.18
4/3/06 Mastro $10,555.00
11/16/05 Memory Lane $7,843.00

SGC 84

5/2/08 Heritage $8,365.00
3/6/08 Goodwin $9,595.00
11/30/06 SCP $8,287.00

According to VCP, PSA 7's are around +$932 on average to SGC 84's >>

thanx fattymacs!

Guess it wouldn't hurt to ask PSA to only crack it, if it can get a 7.5 or better? For the price of a PSA regrading fee, it could fetch more in the PSA slab?

....I'm just thinking what we all could do with an extra thousand or so?

(as fattymacs' stats shows, a thousand bucks more as a PSA 7 is not "chicken feed", and if somehow PSA gave it a 7.5?

Oh well, I'm off to Dolpins Stadium for the Wild Card game! (even if the Ravens "kick their butts", I'll be rooting for the fish!)

rd

shagrotn77 · January 4, 2009 12:02AM

Speaking of graded Mantle rookies, how did this one even grade?:

Ugly 1

PoppaJ · January 4, 2009 12:05AM

Hi RD,

While I agree with the first two posters, I can respect your wanting to move the card to a PSA holder for whatever reasons.

Some people just plainly prefer PSA (as you and I do); some people are PSA Registry Set owners and would like to have the card crossed over for that reason.

The only dilemna would be cracking out this +/- 5 figure baby without damaging it. That would hurt!

Of course, if you have the twins to do it yourself, go for it!

Othewise, I'd either let it be, or let the guys that do it for a living do it for you ... and hope they don't ding it

Personally, I don't care for the tilt, but the corners and registration look great!

Good luck no matter what you decide,

PoppaJ

PoppaJ · January 4, 2009 12:08AM

<< Speaking of graded Mantle rookies, how did this one even grade?:

Ugly 1 >>

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Ugly is putting it mildly!

I think the MC stands for Missing Cardboard

PoppaJ

MBMiller25 · January 4, 2009 12:11AM

Great Mantle SGC 84. If I owned it, I would keep it in the SGC holder, which would be incredibly difficult for me considering I am building the Post War HOF'ers set and still need that card. I think with the tilt, its better presented in that SGC holder. Do you own it?

fattymacs · January 4, 2009 12:12AM

"Guess it wouldn't hurt to ask PSA to only crack it, if it can get a 7.5 or better? For the price of a PSA regrading fee, it could fetch a lot more? ....I'm just thinking what we all could do with an extra thousand or so?

rd

Just because PSA 7's have brought more money in the past, is no guarantee it will automatically bring the +$932. The final price will be determined by who (and how many) are bidding. The SGC registry is almost non-exsistent for this set and the guy with the top set already has a better example than this one. I haven't looked at the PSA registry, but I'm sure there are some people could use this for an upgrade. For the non-registry COLLECTOR crowd, the card will bring the same $$$ in either slab. The SPECULATOR and REGISTRY crowd would pay more for the PSA version, this is common for most(by a big margin) post war cards.

fattymacs · January 4, 2009 12:15AM

<< Speaking of graded Mantle rookies, how did this one even grade?:

Ugly 1 >>

Wow, that's a really ragged specimen. It has alot missing, the back isn't so bad.

rbdjr1 · January 4, 2009 12:17AM

<< "Guess it wouldn't hurt to ask PSA to only crack it, if it can get a 7.5 or better? For the price of a PSA regrading fee, it could fetch a lot more? ....I'm just thinking what we all could do with an extra thousand or so?

rd

Just because PSA 7's have brought more money in the past, is no guarantee it will automatically bring the +$932. The final price will be determined by who (and how many) are bidding. The SGC registry is almost non-exsistent for this set and the guy with the top set already has a better example than this one. I haven't looked at the PSA registry, but I'm sure there are some people could use this for an upgrade. For the non-registry COLLECTOR crowd, the card will bring the same $$$ in either slab. The SPECULATOR and REGISTRY crowd would pay more for the PSA version, this is common for most(by a big margin) post war cards. >>

My thought was if it could snag a 7.5 from PSA, it would be shown as a "recently graded card", and should command more $$$.
No guarantees, but IMO, it should fetch more, based on your fugures!

rd

rbdjr1 · January 4, 2009 12:18AM

<< Great Mantle SGC 84. If I owned it, I would keep it in the SGC holder, which would be incredibly difficult for me considering I am building the Post War HOF'ers set and still need that card. I think with the tilt, its better presented in that SGC holder. Do you own it? >>

I wish !!!

LOL!

rd

fattymacs · January 4, 2009 12:23AM

I would guess it would command higher $$ in the PSA slab, but you would have to crack it and take the risk. I think it's fairly common knowledge slabbed crossovers don't really do so well.

bman90278 · January 4, 2009 12:40AM

<< Ugly is putting it mildly!

I think the MC stands for Missing Cardboard

PoppaJ >>

+1 for Poppa

IchiroDeported · January 4, 2009 12:49AM

i think it looks phenomenal in the SGC holder. leave it be.

BunchOBull · January 4, 2009 2:10AM

<< i think it looks phenomenal in the SGC holder. leave it be. >>

I agree.

My question is, do "recently graded" PSA cards really command a premium?

I tend to enjoy the older slabs for quality myself. I have a lot of questionably graded newer slabs.

WinPitcher · January 4, 2009 3:31AM

With that tilt I highly doubt the card will bump. I'd be happy if it crossed.

IMO it should be sent in using the crossover method with a min grade of 7.

If that fails, for whatever reason, and I still wanted it in a PSA slab I'd submit it raw
with no minimum grade and let the chips fall where they may.

IMO the tilt is just to strong for it to command hi end PSA money, even if it crosses.

Steve

WinPitcher · January 4, 2009 3:33AM

One other point, is the tilt the result of the printing or the cut?

If it is the cut there is a chance, albiet a very slight one that PSA would
N9 (is that the number?) it.

Also, what does the reverse look like? Is it stained? Is it too tilted?

Even with the tilt flaw IMO it is a card I'd not mind owning, at the right price that is.

Steve

fkw · January 4, 2009 6:56AM

Rare? ha ha thats a good one

rbdjr1 · January 4, 2009 7:00AM

<< Rare? ha ha thats a good one

>>

ok expensive!

SMR: 85K mint, 15K PSA 7, sounds rare to me?

rd

BPorter26 · January 4, 2009 7:15AM

Pretty card, I would leave it in the holder as well.

WinPitcher · January 4, 2009 7:15AM

I would venture to say that in true mint condition it is scarce.

Steve

nightcrawler · January 4, 2009 7:43AM

Crackin those SGC slabs is not easy, but well worth it.

-PSA~PSA~PSA-

Would this rare 1951 Bowman Mantle command more auction dollars in a PSA slab?

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