Guess the grade - ICCS grading company

adamlaneus

Your only hints: The picture and the fact that the numeric grade was assigned by ICCS.






(If someone guesses correctly, i'll say so. ICCS is known to be a little different than your typical TPG)

ajaan

F-12

Aethelred

EF-40

Rickc300

I ain't got no clue on grading those things! But if it were in my sphere of collecting like German stuff I might be able to give you a better idea. Not knowing what a true UNC looks like I would think at least an XF45 based on the marks I see but I also see no problem in giving an AU55-58 grade either. I do not know the coins at all! Depending on the strike of a coin more familiar to me I might even think it a low end MS example... So now I stand here ready to be ridiculed when I find what the coin really graded at!

Rick

coinkat

I like it and they probably graded it either 40 or 45... I am not sure I agree with it though

Hussulo

VF-35

davidrj

Hello

I'm new to this forum, but been lurking for a couple of weeks

I wouldn't grade this one higher than VF, though my interest is in French bronze

good site for comparing with the best known examples is at http://www.collection-ideale-cgb.net/numerofranc.php?numero=519

:-)

David

Daltonista

I vaguely recall that ICCS has been the subject of some derision in the forum for being overly optimistic in their grading.
My grade on this piece would be VF-40, give or take, but I bet ICCS punted it into the XF range, right?
Happy New Year to all!
Have an extra fine '09!
Tom

ajaan

ICCS is usually very conservative in their grading. At least they were until about a year ago.

fc

35

farthing

I agree with fc and Hussulo - VF 35

Doogy

<< <i>ICCS is usually very conservative in their grading. At least they were until about a year ago. >>



Indeed. the ICCS coins i've owned were graded more conservative than either of our top two US TPGs, in some cases, much more so.

Doogy

here is a great example of just how conservative ICCS is in their grading..........


click here for an earlier thread

dan8402

35/40

Doogy

I forgot to guess. Based on some earlier gold that i'm seen them grade of this type, I'd say it's a 20; 25 max.

FilthyBroke

My guess is that the coin itself is a 45, maybe 50...no clue as to what it was assigned.

theboz11

XF 40

adamlaneus

Doogy sort of got it. It's a VF-20, as graded by ICCS.

Plenty of luster left for a "20".

In my opinion, a "20" grade coin is missing some of the more fragile device details. But this one seems to be pretty much intact.

coinkat

20 does not pass the straight face test. That grade clearly demonstrates an inability to understand the striking characteristics of the Louis XV coinage and especially the 20F series. Plus this coin features nice original surfaces and did not get a bump for that... quite pathetic

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i>20 does not pass the straight face test. That grade clearly demonstrates an inability to understand the striking characteristics of the Louis XV coinage and especially the 20F series. Plus this coin features nice original surfaces and did not get a bump for that... quite pathetic >>




Which is why this French coin shouldn't have been submitted to ICCS to begin with. Their expertise seems limited to Canadians and eventually some additional British and Commonwealth coins with similar portraits, the latter submitted by Canadian collectors I guess. I've once seen a Greek ICCS graded coin, which was collectable as a curiosity alone, for being in that flip.

coinkat

Which is why this French coin shouldn't have been submitted to ICCS to begin with. Their expertise seems limited to Canadians and eventually some additional British and Commonwealth coins with similar portraits, the latter submitted by Canadian collectors I guess. I've once seen a Greek ICCS graded coin, which was collectable as a curiosity alone, for being in that flip.







Agreed

ColinCMR

i've seen ICCS dabble with British, French, and Spanish coins from the colonial period, but Im not sure of their standards