I may be off here but I have noticed a decline in the prices of PSA 8 Mantle's
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Anyone else notice this? I am talking about 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969. It looks like a huge decline lately in the prices.
"If someone tells you that money is the root of all evil. They don't have any"
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The last two '65's went for over a grand - slightly below the vcp average - but the average is skewed by a few sales. The majority of 8's from last year went for less than a grand.
He is the GREATEST EVER!
Averaged 29 HRs a season
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Hit over 30 HRs in a season 1 time after his 30th B-Day
Speed? he had over 17 doubles in a season... 1 time in last 9 years (and only once in 18 years did he hit more than 28 doubles in a season).
Stolen bases? only once did he have over 18 SBs in a season.
If Harmon Killebrew or Eddie Mathews played in NY would their card prices be 3-4X more than Mays/Aaron?
What if Mantle played in Washington, Pittsburgh, or Minnesota his whole career?
NY Baby Boomers are getting older everyday, one day Mantle will loose the hype, and not too soon IMO
Things to think about
PS.
Mays..... now that's a truly GREAT all around ballplayer
HALL OF FAME 1st Year of eligibility
3 time MVP
16 time All Star (BEFORE the fans voted!!!)
7 World Championships
Most World Series HR, RBI, Total Bases, Extra Base Hits and Walks
(I think that they all are still records)
1956 won the HICKOK BELT (Top Professional Athlete)
1956 won the Triple Crown
When he retired he was 3rd All Time on the Home Run List
1999 Sporting News placed him 17th on GREATEST BASEBALL
PLAYERS OF ALL TIME
1999 ESPN placed him 37th on ALL TIME GREATEST ATHLETES.
Not too bad. Sounds a little better than you made him out to be, no?
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
example- stat-wise, Jim Thome (given 3 more seasons) is just as good or better than Reggie Jackson. Reggie only had 1 more post season HR than Thome.... but Reggie is know for his few little dramatic moments, on and off the field and being on TV ad nauseum. 95% of the country knows the name Reggie Jackson.... how many know Jim Thome???? Heck, Thome might not even get in the HOF by today's standards!
The Mick wasn't THE best, but when yr the best player on a team that got to the WS 12 of 14 seasons, you can't help but transcend the game and be in the spotlight all the time. He was followed as much as any movie/rock star. i think i might turn to booze too
37th?? and his RC is the 2nd most expensive card in the hobby? sheesh.
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Not true at all, Mantle was NOT the 3 and 4 hitter for 18 years.
Secondly and more importantly the poster fails to mention that Mick had 100+ Runs scored more often and that he
had 90+ RBI's about 10 times. Perhaps if he knew that during that era that was above average his tune would be different.
Was mantle over rated? Probably, was he the bum the poster tries to constantly portray? No, not at all.
Ignorance abounds in that post.
To answer the OP's question, NO I have not noticed but then again I am not in the Market of buying or selling Mantles either.
Steve
It could be the first or last card of a set. It could be an SP. It could be an error. It could be that
a ballplayer had a certain ethnicity. It could be a great action shot on a card.
But Mickey Mantle is so popular because he was an excellent ballplayer at the time when
most kids started getting televisions, and he played on the best team of that era. Most kids
like the team that wins, and the Yankees won a lot when the Mick played. He was very colorful,
and very engaging, so he became a mini-Babe Ruth in his approach to selling the game.
His cards are worth the money to so many old folks for those reasons and I'm sure a few others.
37th?? and his RC is the 2nd most expensive card in the hobby? sheesh.
John, actually it is not his rookie card that could be considered the 2nd most expensive card in the hobby.
The 51 Bowman is, and I do not think that it is the 2nd most expensive card in the hobby.
I would think some pre war cards are valued higher then the 51 Bowman.
And of all the players that have passed through MLB to be considered the 37th best is nothing to sneeze at.
I hope that you do not feel that his cards should be the 37th best? Players greatness is only one variable in determining worth.
Steve
<< <i>1999 ESPN placed him 37th on ALL TIME GREATEST ATHLETES.
37th?? and his RC is the 2nd most expensive card in the hobby? sheesh.
John >>
John ... I could see if this comment came from a NON CARD COLLECTOR. But coming from a card collector? YA THINK the fact that it is a '52 HIGH NUMBER has SOMETHING to do with it???????
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
In any event it is not even his rookie, yet it continues to be priced like it is.
Steve
Guess you dont' know baseball all that well.
<< <i>I never bought into that high number stuff, seeing that 1952 Topps card 311 is a Double printed card.
In any event it is not even his rookie, yet it continues to be priced like it is.
Steve >>
Steve ... I think that high number stuff is accurate. I remember when I was a kid in the 60's, by the time the last series would come out, it was already football season and most kids wanted to buy the "new" football cards and didn't care as much about the baseball cards.
In addition, even though Mantle's '52 was one of three DP in the high series, we all know the story about Sy Berger, who hired a tugboat and took hundreds of cases of high numbers that did not sell and dumped them in the Atlantic Ocean. MANY of those high numbers were never sold.
JMO.
Stay Healthy!
Doug
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>NO WAY!
He is the GREATEST EVER!
Averaged 29 HRs a season
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Hit over 30 HRs in a season 1 time after his 30th B-Day
Speed? he had over 17 doubles in a season... 1 time in last 9 years (and only once in 18 years did he hit more than 28 doubles in a season).
Stolen bases? only once did he have over 18 SBs in a season.
If Harmon Killebrew or Eddie Mathews played in NY would their card prices be 3-4X more than Mays/Aaron?
What if Mantle played in Washington, Pittsburgh, or Minnesota his whole career?
NY Baby Boomers are getting older everyday, one day Mantle will loose the hype, and not too soon IMO
Things to think about
PS.
Mays..... now that's a truly GREAT all around ballplayer
You bring up some very valid points. Mantle had the hype of being a Yankee, and that is what built "the legend". Had Mays been a Yankee, man oh man..
Mantle was a real good player(with a lot of talent that he wasted), but I'm not so sure he was as "great" as some still paint him as.
Willie Mays was greatness. Playing in San Fran all those years must have cost Mays 100+ homeruns.
<< <i>Can you imagine the hype if Musial was a Yank? I truly believe that Stan the Man doesnt get all the respect he deserves either. >>
Without a doubt. I agree with you on that. Musial was one of the best on and off of the field. A true gentleman, and a great player. But, maybe I am partial.
Also, few were better on the big stage than the Mick as shown by his numbers in the World Series. There will always be a big demand for his cards based on both the heavy advertising of Mantle in the modern market and the fact that many like to buy high dollar cards. I think some of his appeal is based not necessarily on his greatness, but the fact that the value of his cards makes them a must have in many collections. There is no doubt that the greatness of many baseball card collections are based on the number of Mickey Mantle's you have.
Of course, not every kid was, but pretty darn close.
I can remember most of my school friends and a few cousins busting packs back then, fanning through as fast as they could, hoping to find a Mickey Mantle card.
There were others, like Ted Williams, Eddie Mathews, Yogi Berra and Duke Snider, that were like consolation prizes, but the grand prize was always Mickey Mantle.
Cards containing players such as Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Roberto Clemente were not that popular because of their skin color; racism kept these players out of many a young boy's collection.
Yes, Mantle had charisma, but he was also a man's man. A tough-skinned, hard playing, multi-vice owning, Oklahoma boy that fans and players alike, all seemed to admire.
Just as all kids from the "I wanna be like Mike" (Michael Jordan) era, the kids from the Mantle era wanted to be just like the Mick; there simply is no better way to describe it. It wasn't that just the kids from the Chicago area loved Jordan; he was popular everywhere.
To this day, the baby boomer generation has kept Mantle on a pedestal, where he will probably remain for a long while, though Yankee haters and skeptics will most likely disagree.
I've been collecting his cards since the early 50s; am I biased? Not in the least. Was he the best player back then? Probably not, but he was and still is the most popular.
JMHO,
PoppaJ
agreed, Musial is the most overlooked GREAT player of all-time...he just didn't have the goudy HR numbers..sorta like JoeD. Most of Mantle's love comes from being a career Yank and you have all the bandwagon Yankee fans all over the country driving up his values mostly based on the greatness that he should have had had it not been for ripping up his knee on the sprinkler head and the boozing. He wasn't better than Mays, he surely wasn't better than Williams. He was at best the 3rd best player of his era behind Mays and Aaron.
Win Shares all-time
9. Mantle
8. Musial
7. Aaron
6. Bonds* (asterisk of course)
5. Cobb
4. Honus Wagner
3. Ted Williams
2. W.Mays
1. Ruth
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<< <i>NO WAY!
He is the GREATEST EVER!
Averaged 29 HRs a season
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Hit over 30 HRs in a season 1 time after his 30th B-Day
Speed? he had over 17 doubles in a season... 1 time in last 9 years (and only once in 18 years did he hit more than 28 doubles in a season).
Stolen bases? only once did he have over 18 SBs in a season.
If Harmon Killebrew or Eddie Mathews played in NY would their card prices be 3-4X more than Mays/Aaron?
What if Mantle played in Washington, Pittsburgh, or Minnesota his whole career?
NY Baby Boomers are getting older everyday, one day Mantle will loose the hype, and not too soon IMO
Things to think about
PS.
Mays..... now that's a truly GREAT all around ballplayer
You bring up some very valid points. Mantle had the hype of being a Yankee, and that is what built "the legend". Had Mays been a Yankee, man oh man..
Mantle was a real good player(with a lot of talent that he wasted), but I'm not so sure he was as "great" as some still paint him as.
Willie Mays was greatness. Playing in San Fran all those years must have cost Mays 100+ homeruns. >>
Are you nuts??? chaz
Mantle is beloved, but isn't as good as Mays or Musial.
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<< <i>NO WAY!
He is the GREATEST EVER!
Averaged 29 HRs a season
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Hit over 30 HRs in a season 1 time after his 30th B-Day
Speed? he had over 17 doubles in a season... 1 time in last 9 years (and only once in 18 years did he hit more than 28 doubles in a season).
Stolen bases? only once did he have over 18 SBs in a season.
If Harmon Killebrew or Eddie Mathews played in NY would their card prices be 3-4X more than Mays/Aaron?
What if Mantle played in Washington, Pittsburgh, or Minnesota his whole career?
NY Baby Boomers are getting older everyday, one day Mantle will loose the hype, and not too soon IMO
Things to think about
PS.
Mays..... now that's a truly GREAT all around ballplayer
You bring up some very valid points. Mantle had the hype of being a Yankee, and that is what built "the legend". Had Mays been a Yankee, man oh man..
Mantle was a real good player(with a lot of talent that he wasted), but I'm not so sure he was as "great" as some still paint him as.
Willie Mays was greatness. Playing in San Fran all those years must have cost Mays 100+ homeruns. >>
Are you nuts??? chaz >>
Nah.... I just see Mantle is/was way overrated.
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<< <i>NO WAY!
He is the GREATEST EVER!
Averaged 29 HRs a season
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Hit over 30 HRs in a season 1 time after his 30th B-Day
Speed? he had over 17 doubles in a season... 1 time in last 9 years (and only once in 18 years did he hit more than 28 doubles in a season).
Stolen bases? only once did he have over 18 SBs in a season.
If Harmon Killebrew or Eddie Mathews played in NY would their card prices be 3-4X more than Mays/Aaron?
What if Mantle played in Washington, Pittsburgh, or Minnesota his whole career?
NY Baby Boomers are getting older everyday, one day Mantle will loose the hype, and not too soon IMO
Things to think about
PS.
Mays..... now that's a truly GREAT all around ballplayer
You bring up some very valid points. Mantle had the hype of being a Yankee, and that is what built "the legend". Had Mays been a Yankee, man oh man..
Mantle was a real good player(with a lot of talent that he wasted), but I'm not so sure he was as "great" as some still paint him as.
Willie Mays was greatness. Playing in San Fran all those years must have cost Mays 100+ homeruns. >>
Are you nuts??? chaz >>
Nah.... I just see Mantle is/was way overrated. >>
There really are maniacs in this world. chaz
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<< <i>NO WAY!
He is the GREATEST EVER!
Averaged 29 HRs a season
Had four 100 RBI seasons in 18 years as a 3/4 batter on the Yankees (doesn't get any better for RBI situations, what happened?).
Hit over 30 HRs in a season 1 time after his 30th B-Day
Speed? he had over 17 doubles in a season... 1 time in last 9 years (and only once in 18 years did he hit more than 28 doubles in a season).
Stolen bases? only once did he have over 18 SBs in a season.
If Harmon Killebrew or Eddie Mathews played in NY would their card prices be 3-4X more than Mays/Aaron?
What if Mantle played in Washington, Pittsburgh, or Minnesota his whole career?
NY Baby Boomers are getting older everyday, one day Mantle will loose the hype, and not too soon IMO
Things to think about
PS.
Mays..... now that's a truly GREAT all around ballplayer
You bring up some very valid points. Mantle had the hype of being a Yankee, and that is what built "the legend". Had Mays been a Yankee, man oh man..
Mantle was a real good player(with a lot of talent that he wasted), but I'm not so sure he was as "great" as some still paint him as.
Willie Mays was greatness. Playing in San Fran all those years must have cost Mays 100+ homeruns. >>
Are you nuts??? chaz >>
Nah.... I just see Mantle is/was way overrated. >>
There really are maniacs in this world. chaz >>
Nevermind. It's probably best to just leave it be.
Mays in particular swung the bat like it weighed about 3 ounces. And he swung it like that every time.
Add to that the way they played outfield and you had just had to se them play.
Who plays like that today?
"Molon Labe"
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
"Molon Labe"
YIKES! Are you actually comparing AIKMAN to MANTLE? Don't get me wrong, I like Aikman, but to compare him to Mantle? IMO, not even close to being on the same level.
Stay Healthy!
Doug
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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You sound bitter towards him, did Mantle turn you down for a date once?
well folks have been blessed with Ken Griffey Jr and Bonds for the past 20 years. Despite the roid's bonds was the most amazing slugger ive seen in my lifetime. And Griffey was the total package, if not for injuries he would easily have 700 HR's AND was one of the greatest fielders of this generation of players.
"Molon Labe"
In fact, I can't think of a single family member, friend, or anyone in my neighborhood that is having any financial problems whatsoever.
Who are these people that are GUARANTEEING that the prices of vintage cards are going to crash???
This current state of the economy is a great lesson for those that have mishandled their money in the past. Many of us haven't, thus we don't feel the pinch.
I've lived through many a bad economic time, and there were always those that said things would never get better .... but, a year or so later, it was as if nothing had ever happened.
and believe it or not, our economy will be strong again someday ... maybe not soon .... but it will be strong again!
Take care of your family first, then your collection. But, if you don't have to sell for emergency financial reasons, hang in there.
For all you negative people out there, I say crawl back under your rocks until you learn to deal with your negativism.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Please know that if you sell cheap, there are bottom feeders out there just waiting. And someday, you'll look back alright, but not to regret that you've kept your cards.
Let's see what happens when a bunch of 52 Topps Mantles in PSA 5 or better start listing for under $10,000.
Oh my! Who will ever be able to afford them?
For you positive people out there, I apologize for this tiny rant.
For you negatives, I say sell me your Mantles NOW! before it's too late
PoppaJ
the only folks i DONT know having a tough time seem to be the $$$ rich folks on this message board. Everyone I know has seen their house values drop dramatically, lots of friends in retail are getting hammered and every single one of those folks is worried about their job security. The only people who arent fearful for their jobs work in healthcare or for the Feds. Its bad now, but its gonna get a whole lot worse, the 2nd wave of foreclosures hasnt even begun to hit yet. That is a sad reality.
<< <i>I'll sell you mine for SMR, I have a 51 Bowman PSA-7, a 1953 Topps PSA-8, a 1955 Bowman PSA-8, a 1959 Topps PSA-8 and of course a 1960 Topps PSA-9. LMK >>
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Why would I want to buy them at SMR?
How about if I just wait and buy them when they're not worth anything .... like as soon as the market crashes .... as predicted by all the doomsayers. If you're correct, I'll be able to buy Mantles for pennies on the dollar.
PoppaJ
<< <i>That's the answer I expected Mr. Know It All! >>
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I guess we're finished here ....
If you have to resort to name calling, it's time to move on.
Please read your "signature statement" .... I believe it says: "It's a forum to express your opinion . . . I have mine, your'e welcome to yours, don't make it personal . . ."
You should take your own advice
PoppaJ
<< <i>I'll sell you mine for SMR, I have a 51 Bowman PSA-7, a 1953 Topps PSA-8, a 1955 Bowman PSA-8, a 1959 Topps PSA-8 and of course a 1960 Topps PSA-9. LMK >>
I'll give you $15000. LMK