Can you sell a purple heart? I have one from Korea
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I have an "issued" purple heart from the Korean way. I did some reasearch into this and found out where the guy was, what his job and and other aspect. He was injured by a incoming shell. Not quite clear on what you can and can not sell now a days. Ifi can sell it i would like about 250. If i can't then i do not what anything and back in the desk it goes. The purple heart is very neat and a honor befitting injured men and women in the military
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They might like to have it.
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<< <i>sure can, just list it on ebay and put-NAMED PURPLE HEART-korea name and year ect.... you can sell any us medal on ebay except the m.o.h. >>
Why the exception for the MOH Rube?
The Stolen Valor Act of 2005 sets out penalties for people who falsely claim to have been awarded the Purple Heart.
The Act states that any false verbal, written or physical claim, or selling of the Purple Heart Medal, by an individual to
whom it has not been awarded, is a federal offense punishable by jail time and/or a fine.
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The plain language - if not the intent - of the Act does not seem to prohibit a recipient from selling the medal.
Stolen Valor
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EBAY PHM
Rules cloudy on selling military medals
By Terry Maurer, What's it Worth?
There's a lot of confusion among collectors right now about the legality of trading in military medals awarded by the United States. A reader asks today's What's It Worth about a family heirloom and what he can do about selling it.
Q. This is my great uncle's World War II medal, presented to him for being part of the American forces involved with the occupation of Japan.
Is it worth much and how would I go about selling it? -- Steve in Richland
A. A timely question and one which has, perhaps, several different answers, depending on who you ask.
It may be perfectly legal to buy and sell American military medals. Or it may not be. The source of confusion is a law passed by Congress in late 2006. It's called the Stolen Valor Act, and the idea is to keep unscrupulous folks from buying medals and claiming they received them for service to our country.
It may sound odd that someone would do that, but deceptions and would-be deceivers are relatively common. Usually, it's the "prestige" awards that are coveted -- the Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Silver Star and Purple Heart -- to name a few.
Congress overwhelmingly OK'd the Stolen Valor law, but in the eyes of some, went way too far in setting such tight restrictions.
Many members of the Orders and Medals Society of American -- a leading collector's group -- contend the law now makes it illegal to buy, sell or trade the medals. They contend the law not only outlaws buying those prestigious awards for valor, but it also extends to all medals awarded by the United States for military service.
Other OMSA observers say "no, that's not what the law does. It still allows for an active trade in these items."
Under some interpretations, even a museum couldn't buy a medal to replace one missing in a collection.
What the real situation is appears to be a matter of who is interpreting the words of the act.
Some dealers fear prosecution for engaging in the sale of medals; others are taking a "What, me worry?" attitude. To our knowledge, no one has as yet been been arrested.
EBay, seems to have no rules against selling a medal like this through their site, as one was listed for sale.
We were first alerted to the contradictions while volunteering on the production staff of The Antiques Roadshow stop in Spokane during the summer.
Appraiser Rafael Eledge, of Tennessee's Shiloh Civil War Relics, had to tell a participant she could not sell her great-great-great-grandfather's Medal of Honor. Under the law, he informed her, she had every right -- as a direct descendent of the recipient -- to own the medal, but no right to sell it. Not under any circumstances.
When the filming ended for the day, we asked Eledge to elaborate. He told us most dealers now shun all U.S. medals, no matter how old.
"It's really a shame," he said. "The young woman I talked to may need the money she'd realize from a sale. At the very least, shouldn't she know what her heritage is worth, so it can be properly protected and perhaps insured?"
Other appraisers told us congressional staff members are working on rewording the regulations, to make things clear, and that the "no-sales" interpretation was not what Congress intended. However, their view was that it would take at least several years for the situation to be cleared up.
Until then, staying on the sidelines of this volatile market would seem the like best idea.
That noted, we did recently see this same Occupation medal for sale for $15. At The Antiques Roadshow, Eledge told us if the guest could sell her Medal of Honor -- along with all the supporting documents she had -- the value would be between $10,000 and $12,000.
w Submit your antiques and collectible questions to What's It Worth by e-mail to whatsit worth@clearwire.net
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These folks, they are presumed to be "experts," seem to agree that
the intent of the Act was NOT to prohibit the sale of collectible medals.
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The Act Author
Conrad - or his staff - wrote the first draft of the thing. I guess they know what they were
trying to say.
The "legislative purpose" of a law or reg is always/usually considered by the court hearing
a controversy.
While EBAY was/is poofing some medal listings, they probably are not required to.
The issue was big when the movie "The Wedding Crashers" was released. The Act
was in response to that controversy.
2 of the Purple Hearts are from my Uncles whom dies in WW2, one also received the Bronze star.
My wife's father received a Purple Heart and a Silver star when he was shot down over Belgium.
I think he also has a Distinguished flying cross too. All are in my cabinet. Never to be 'sold'
Steve
<Why the exception for the MOH Rube?>
there has only 3,000 some issued since civil war, only 99 moh recips left, they will find you and take you to prison to make big rocks from big ones in ft leavenworth,its a felony, just like card people has crooks, so does your military people i can buy any us medal in 1 of any 10 magaziines i have except the m.o.h.
there are fake ones around too, from you guessed it, asia
<< <i>ive sold everything on ebay military wise, not illegal in any way,guarantold ya
<Why the exception for the MOH Rube?>
there has only 3,000 some issued since civil war, only 99 moh recips left, they will find you and take you to prison to make big rocks from big ones in ft leavenworth,its a felony, just like card people has crooks, so does your military people i can buy any us medal in 1 of any 10 magaziines i have except the m.o.h.
there are fake ones around too, from you guessed it, asia >>
How would you make big rocks from big ones? I would much rather make small rocks from big ones
HERE'S ONE ON EBAY NOW (FROM ENGLAND) 16 BIDS (LIKE 40 BUCKS!), ENDING IN A FEW MINUTES!
LINK TO EBAY FOR PURPLE HEART
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found this pic of an old presentation award pin now selling on ebay (not a purple heart medal).
Presented to a "Past Commander"
Just thought it was pretty cool!
rd
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<< <i> Something does not seem "right" about selling a Purple Heart. I can't even properly verbalize why, it just seems like it should not be done.... >>
I don't think there is anything wrong about selling a Purple Heart you may have purchased, but I don't think anyone should ever sell off a family members Purple Heart or military award.
Brian
Also 4 sale on the bay: ebay link!
Seller is in England too! (Looks nice, I wonder if it is an original? Rube will know!)
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with the issue. The medal issue has been often inquired about.
It is 100% legal to sell ALL medals - exception MOH - notwithstanding the confusing
lingo in the SVA.
He said that Senator Conrad's remarks in the Congressional Record, and the language
in the CFR are sufficient enablers, and that NO change to the SVA is contemplated.
He acknowledged that EBAY has from time to time halted some medal listings based on
their misunderstanding of the SVA. He said, "Sell 'em, if you got 'em."
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The first mark of good legislation is that neither the peasants nor the courts should have
to look at the purpose sections or parts explaining intent in any Bill For An Act. The meaning
and application should be clear from the passed Act. Yet, the maroooons continue to write stuff
that means one thing and says something else.
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Excerpts from the Conrad statement:
.......Although the new law modifies Title 18 USC, Section 704, it does not impact the legitimate purchase, sale, or possession of medals. The key part of this passage is the phrase: "except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law." That exception refers to 32 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Section 507. I believe the concerns raised by collectors and dealers of military medals and memorabilia may stem from lack of familiarity with the CFR and its relationship to statutory law. The CFR is the regulation that implements and administers statutory provisions, in this case, the provisions of 18 USC Section 704 as amended by the Stolen Valor Act.
The CFR specifically states in Section 507.12 ( “Mere possession by a person of any of the articles prescribed in Sec. 507.8 of this part is authorized provided that such possession is not used to defraud or misrepresent the identification or status of the individuals concerned.” According to numerous legal experts consulted on the drafting of the Stolen Valor legislation, “mere possession” would include: family members that inherit medals, museums, collectors, approved medals dealers, historians, and other persons in possession or selling medals that do not use them for fraudulent purposes. In addition, CFR Sec. 507.8(a) indicates, “the articles listed in paragraphs (a) (1) through (10) of this section are authorized for manufacture and sale when made in accordance with approved specifications, purchase descriptions or drawings.”
The articles listed as authorized for manufacture and sale in Sec. 507.8(a) include: decorations, service medals, ribbons, lapel buttons, and badges with the exception of the Medal of Honor. The CFR allows for the sale of all US medals (except the Medal of Honor) and insignia, provided that an official government manufacturer has made them and that the Institute of Heraldry (IOH) approved those pieces. Thus, the Stolen Valor Act does not in any way stop collectors or dealers from selling or collecting officially made medals and insignia, whether they were made yesterday or fifty years ago...............
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<< <i>HERE'S ONE ON EBAY NOW (FROM ENGLAND) 16 BIDS (LIKE 40 BUCKS!), ENDING IN A FEW MINUTES!
LINK TO EBAY FOR PURPLE HEART >>
It ended at under $100 US, and I do not pretend to know the OP's personal financial situation, but returning it to it's rightful family could possibly do more for them than the $100 could do for you. Just my thoughts.
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Yup.
Except for those awarded to famous folks, they don't bring a lot of money.
Unless one needs money for something else - which MANY folks do right now -
the medals are not the best items to sell. (Of course that does not apply
to the folks who are dealers/traders in the militaria market; a BIG market.)
I have quite a few medals that were awarded to family members. I would
probably feel bad, if I sold them without a pressing need to do so. OTOH,
when I croak, nobody else will want them anyway.
<< <i>I absolutely agree - but it may not be possible to know who the original family is, or find them. It says "originally purchsed in the 1960's" so that info may be long gone (if it's true). >>
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There are both public and private websites that help track-down the family members of medal recipients.
Might be a fun project for folks who are not too busy.
<< <i>I absolutely agree - but it may not be possible to know who the original family is, or find them. It says "originally purchsed in the 1960's" so that info may be long gone (if it's true). >>
Although the post I quoted in my post was that auction (only to show how little it sold for), I was in fact referring to the OP's Purple Heart. He seems to have some background info on it already.
<< <i>they used that presentation box from before ww2 to after korea, so hard to tell >>
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I notice the older empty-boxes are being sold, too.
The scamsters can put the brand-new medals into the old boxes.
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<< <i>I absolutely agree - but it may not be possible to know who the original family is, or find them. It says "originally purchsed in the 1960's" so that info may be long gone (if it's true). >>
Although the post I quoted in my post was that auction (only to show how little it sold for), I was in fact referring to the OP's Purple Heart. He seems to have some background info on it already. >>
Ahh - gotcha. That makes sense. My fault.
why make money on some one else's heroism?
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<< <i>ya should see the medals i got here, from civil war up; >>
That's cool Rube! Which battles did you fight in?
<< <i>lol- no me-i have enough for a museum in just medals, i do have my great great grandfathers discharge papers from west virginia 17th vollounteer something militia,, 2 medals,and uniform, and his muzzleloader from the civil war here,they are pretty cool, it has his name and outfit and dates engraved on the ege of one of the medals >>
Just funnin ya. 17th WV sounds like a yankee unit.
-1st land battle was a phillipi, not too far from me