Counterpunch coming: Red Sox and Tex...12/18 maybe not!
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I figure it will be this weekend, maybe sooner.
Yankees will then counter with D. Lowe or AJ or both?
Yankees will then counter with D. Lowe or AJ or both?
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<< <i>I figure it will be this weekend, maybe sooner.
Yankees will then counter with D. Lowe or AJ or both? >>
I'm glad the Yankees have resigned themselves to third place for the next 4-5 years. I have to tell you that
1 - Sabathia
2 - Wang
3 - Burnett
4 - Lowe
5 - Chamberlain
wouldn't scare me in the LEAST. Plus. How many years does Mo Riviera have left?
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If he decides on going to a team for immediate success, the Bosox dont have this one in hand. Angels and Yankees still in the running when they are prepared to make offers. Im sure Teixeira and agent(boras?) are patient enough to wait for all offers. Pretty much the same thing with Sabathia.
So even if it ends up being all about the dollars, he still signs with Boston.
Any deal should include a personal payment of $7 million from Boras to the Red Sox for the Manny salary they had to eat after giving him away to the Dodgers.
<< <i>Unless Lowell is hurt really bad, I don't like them just casting him aside in pursuit of overpaying for Tex, especially after Bor-ASS hosed the Red Sox with the Manny debacle.
Any deal should include a personal payment of $7 million from Boras to the Red Sox for the Manny salary they had to eat after giving him away to the Dodgers. >>
I think the Sox have more knowledge about Lowell than they are letting on. Add to that the likelihood the Yankees add Burnett and Mike Cameron today or tomorrow, and I see the arms race escalating...thus Tex will sign soon with the Sox.
All the Rays need to do is tweak their lineup, must be nice!
Yankees to sign Tex?
Come on Hank & Hal, break out the checkbook!
A switch hitter with proven power from the left in a ball park built for a left handed powerhitter would be a nice fit, but no, our big splash so far this offseason is signing a contact-hitting shortstop (Renteria) and a pair of unremarkable middle-relievers. Great.
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<< <i>Do you sox/yankee fans ever feel like your teams have unfair advantages? >>
Yes, i absolutely do. The advantage is we have owners that care about winning, and aren't just treating their sport team as a money making business. For example, do you know who the richest owner is all of baseball is? Carl Pohlad, owner of the Twins. And we all know the Twins don't have the highest payroll. At all. This is why when people say "There should be a salary cap in Baseball" I always say, "Only if it comes with a salary floor."
I think it's sad that teams like The Pirates & Royals ( to just name two) are just looked upon as business ventures by the owners. Look at the Cubs; until the last few years when they came up for sale, they paid very little because they understood that win or lose, they're still going to sell the same amount of tickets & merch.
People can rip George Stienbrenner all they want, but they can never question his dedication to fielding a winning team.
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<< <i>Do you sox/yankee fans ever feel like your teams have unfair advantages? >>
Yes, i absolutely do. The advantage is we have owners that care about winning, and aren't just treating their sport team as a money making business. For example, do you know who the richest owner is all of baseball is? Carl Pohlad, owner of the Twins. And we all know the Twins don't have the highest payroll. At all. This is why when people say "There should be a salary cap in Baseball" I always say, "Only if it comes with a salary floor."
I think it's sad that teams like The Pirates & Royals ( to just name two) are just looked upon as business ventures by the owners. Look at the Cubs; until the last few years when they came up for sale, they paid very little because they understood that win or lose, they're still going to sell the same amount of tickets & merch.
People can rip George Stienbrenner all they want, but they can never question his dedication to fielding a winning team. >>
and the Padres! Fire sale in San Diego because the owner is getting a divorce? As much as Sox fans hated Steinbrenner, we respected (and still do) his burning desire to field a champion every year...even when Sox owners weren't committed to it (grrrr)
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All the Rays need to do is tweak their lineup, must be nice! >>
Sure is!
We just traded Edwin Jackson to Detroit for RF Matt Joyce. He's a young guy that just got called up last season that hit .252, posted an OBP of .339 along with 12 HRs in 92 games. It may or may not be a deal made for this upcoming season, but since the Rays will control his contract for 6 more years it'll likely be for the future. Even if he does stick around next year he'll likely perform better than Gabe Gross, who put up WORSE numbers than Joyce despite the fact that he played 30 more games than Joyce did.
Jackson posted a 14-11 record with an ERA around 4 if I remember correctly. Our pitching is so deep, not only in the majors but in the minors as well, that it allowed the deal to take place. David Price is going to step into the rotation this year and Jackson would've likely been on the outside looking in anyways. Another plus is that the deal saves the Rays a reported $2 million this year and that could possibly go towards signing another RF or DH. I've heard all sorts of rumors naming interest in players such as Milton Bradley, Jeremy Hermida, Nelson Cruz, Jason Giambi and Rick Ankiel.
The Rays also met with Bobby Abrue's agent today.
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All the Rays need to do is tweak their lineup, must be nice! >>
Sure is!
We just traded Edwin Jackson to Detroit for RF Matt Joyce. He's a young guy that just got called up last season that hit .252, posted an OBP of .339 along with 12 HRs in 92 games. It may or may not be a deal made for this upcoming season, but since the Rays will control his contract for 6 more years it'll likely be for the future. Even if he does stick around next year he'll likely perform better than Gabe Gross, who put up WORSE numbers than Joyce despite the fact that he played 30 more games than Joyce did.
Jackson posted a 14-11 record with an ERA around 4 if I remember correctly. Our pitching is so deep, not only in the majors but in the minors as well, that it allowed the deal to take place. David Price is going to step into the rotation this year and Jackson would've likely been on the outside looking in anyways. Another plus is that the deal saves the Rays a reported $2 million this year and that could possibly go towards signing another RF or DH. I've heard all sorts of rumors naming interest in players such as Milton Bradley, Jeremy Hermida, Nelson Cruz, Jason Giambi and Rick Ankiel.
The Rays also met with Bobby Abrue's agent today. >>
yes, the Rays do SUCK! I would hope for the team's sake, they stay away from someone like Abreu. I don't see him as a fit for that team's chemistry. And chemistry was an essential component of success in 2008. Of course, if Bobby A is willing to play for a measly six or seven million a year, maybe he's tired of playing for non-WS-winning teams.
Couple things to add- Did CC really want to be a Yankee? Why the opt out clause after 3 years? I believe that was part of his contract- I may be wrong but if Im not why would he want that clause? I would have welcomed CC to the Sox but at that price it wont be worth it longterm oh and talk about pressure? I hope he can handle it! Also he has alot of mileage on that shoulder/arm of his.
Steinbrenner? Yes I do respect that man as well.
Unfair advantage? Bullcrap- we spend the money just like New York, just like Florida and a bunch of other teams do and have- the only difference with the Yankees/Sox is after a World Series win we dont have firesales the following season.
I think Sabathia will be able to do well in NY. His fat body will survive longer than the skinny frame of others (like Pedro, for example). If the Yankees keep spending on pitching (good move, Hal, Hank and Brian), they could ensure some reasonable rest for their starters
<< <i>I saw a rumor on Yahoo about Lugo. They said ESPN was reporting this rumor, but I couldn't find it on ESPN to confirm. The rumor is that the Sox have been in discussions with the Diamondbacks regarding the possibility of trading Lugo for Byrnes. That would solve our extra SS problem and fill the need for a 4th outfielder. Besides that, getting Byrnes would be like getting a faster, younger version of Kevin Millar. I'd be stoked. >>
I heard the Lugo for Byrnes talk today as well- this guy was hurt last year and before that he had put up 50 SB's and decent power #'s
I would be pumped if we landed him.
You do not see this in the NFL or NBA.
Are the majority of owners in MLB not as committed to winning as in other sports, thus do not chase the best available players?
MLB owners are not forced to be responsible with their money, as long as they have enough. Yankees can waste $100M on a player that doesn't work out, and what is the consequence? The owner lost 100m. But if in another sport the owner has big money tied up in a player who doesn't work out, then they have less available money to spend on other players for their team. Not so in MLB. At least that is my understanding, is this right?
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<< <i>2007 Operating Incomes
Here is a link to the 2007 operating incomes for baseball teams. As you can see, the Yanks by far and away lose the most money. In fact, the RedSox are the only other team that loses any amount of consequence. >>
Do the Red Sox have a network they own similar to the YES network? The only way I believe those two lose money if they forgo their local broadcasting rights.
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December 18, 2008 10:46 PM
Red Sox owner just e-mailed several media members with a stunning twist in the team's pursuit of Mark Teixeira. "We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor."
boston.com
<< <i>maybe not after all:
December 18, 2008 10:46 PM
Red Sox owner just e-mailed several media members with a stunning twist in the team's pursuit of Mark Teixeira. "We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor."
boston.com >>
Red Sox offered $23 mil. per year for 8 years. If that is not good enough, then F 'em -- which is essentially what John Henry said.
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<< <i>maybe not after all:
December 18, 2008 10:46 PM
Red Sox owner just e-mailed several media members with a stunning twist in the team's pursuit of Mark Teixeira. "We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor."
boston.com >>
Red Sox offered $23 mil. per year for 8 years. If that is not good enough, then F 'em -- which is essentially what John Henry said. >>
Tex is not going to be well liked, where ever he lands. I'm an Angels fan and I've about had it.
Do I see the second coming of another ARod?
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<< <i>Red Sox offered $23 mil. per year for 8 years. If that is not good enough, then F 'em -- which is essentially what John Henry said. >>
There is no way to say it better. I am so glad the Sox are not falling into that trap of signing this guy for too much money and for too many years- lets get it straight here as well, Tex is a great hitter but not the second coming of the best hitter in Baseball by any stretch, Arod is worth the money before Tex is..
Not much else out there is there? We need another bat, what now?
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<< <i>Red Sox offered $23 mil. per year for 8 years. If that is not good enough, then F 'em -- which is essentially what John Henry said. >>
There is no way to say it better. I am so glad the Sox are not falling into that trap of signing this guy for too much money and for too many years- lets get it straight here as well, Tex is a great hitter but not the second coming of the best hitter in Baseball by any stretch, Arod is worth the money before Tex is..
Not much else out there is there? We need another bat, what now? >>
if the Sox can walk away, even if Boras and Teixiera call them back, it means to me that management knows Lowell is making excellent progress and Ortiz had issues with his wrist that are a thing of the past.
So what now? Sign D. Lowe, give Baldelli a very invasive physical exam, and trade for a catcher. No freakin way the Sox will sign Tek if Boras is playing this game
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<< <i>Red Sox offered $23 mil. per year for 8 years. If that is not good enough, then F 'em -- which is essentially what John Henry said. >>
There is no way to say it better. I am so glad the Sox are not falling into that trap of signing this guy for too much money and for too many years- lets get it straight here as well, Tex is a great hitter but not the second coming of the best hitter in Baseball by any stretch, Arod is worth the money before Tex is..
Not much else out there is there? We need another bat, what now? >>
$184 million guranteed is certainly not chump change to play on a World Series caliber team. This greediness does not look very good when many of the people buying tickets supporting his obscene salary have lost 45% of their retirement funds in 2008, or worse yet, lost their jobs.
One other thought: I agree with the comments that not getting Teixeira would not be the worst thing in the world. After all, won't it be likely that Holliday will be trade bait at some point this summer? Teixeira isn't the only guy in the world that knows how to swing a piece of wood.