BCS could be a big mess!

larryallen73

Things could get nice and messy for the BCS next week. Let's just say, for sake of argument, that Mizzou beats OK and Florida beats 'bama. If I am not mistaken we would then have the following one loss teams: 'bama, Florida, Penn State, U$C, OK, Texas and Texas Tech. Plus, of course the unbeaten teams of Ball State, Boise State and Utah just for argument fun! If the above hapened I don't see how Texas, even though they won't have played in their own conference championship game, wouldn't even up in the final against Florida. How fun! An 8 team playoff may be about right now, eh!?

P.S. Yes, I am assuming U$C beats UCLA on Saturday. Though I am a Bruin fan I am a realist... plus, I like the idea of more confusion for the BCS.

P.P.S. Going back to the thread, someone else posted a few days ago, I would love to see Boise State play in a BCS bowl again but looks like they are on the outside. Bummer.

joestalin

First off no way that Missouri, a team fresh off a butt whooping from crappy Kansas, beats a team like Okl. Second no way you can even discuss any other
1 loss team outside of the big 12 or the Gators who played a real schedule!

As far as the Big 12 mess, you have to settle it somehow, and I guess I would ok with Okl going becuase they played the extra game, but with all the talk about
Texas, why isn't there equal talk about Tech? Its not like Tech played 9 creampuffs and pulled off an upset against the one good team they played. They played
in the toughest divison in football, came out with only 1 loss, against a team that is perhaps the best team in the country. They are the only team in the country
to beat Texas, how can you talk about a 1 loss Texas and not a 1 loss Tech?

JS

edmundfitzgerald

<< <i>First off no way that Missouri, a team fresh off a butt whooping from crappy Kansas, beats a team like Okl. Second no way you can even discuss any other
1 loss team outside of the big 12 or the Gators who played a real schedule!

As far as the Big 12 mess, you have to settle it somehow, and I guess I would ok with Okl going becuase they played the extra game, but with all the talk about
Texas, why isn't there equal talk about Tech? Its not like Tech played 9 creampuffs and pulled off an upset against the one good team they played. They played
in the toughest divison in football, came out with only 1 loss, against a team that is perhaps the best team in the country. They are the only team in the country
to beat Texas, how can you talk about a 1 loss Texas and not a 1 loss Tech?

JS >>



Because Texas Tech had a tough time at home with Baylor, and they went to overtime against Nebraska.
Texas Tech only beat Texas on the last drive of the game, and got blown out by OU.

Texas beat OU. They also lost to Texas Tech on the last drive in Lubbock after a 4 game consecutive stretch with no weeks off
against 4 Top 20 teams. Neither OU or Texas Tech had four straight weeks of football against Top 20 opponents.

edmundfitzgerald

<< <i>Things could get nice and messy for the BCS next week. . >>



Things are really not that messy at all.

The two best teams in the country are playing this Saturday at 4pm. That is the national championship game.
The winner will have their way with OU in the "title game".

No controversy at all

joestalin

I still see holes in your argument. Texas escaped against Ok State at home, while T Tech blew them out. You can't blame Tech cause of where they had their
off week.

JS

lsutigers1973

Didn't bother to read all of the replies but your first line is incorrect. If Mizzou beats Oklahoma, Oklahoma will have 2 losses. That would actually be the best case scenario for the BCS. Florida and Texas in the title game would be the closest thing to a perfect scenario for the 2 best teams in the country playing for the title.

larryallen73

LSU-
You are correct. I forgot OK already lost once. I guess then I need them to win to have all the one loss teams which is most likely. OK lost to Texas but would still go to the national title game instead of Texas. Sucks to be Texas I guess. I think Florida v. OK would be a good game of two of the best teams. Not as good as a playoff as way too many teams can say they should of have had a chance. Should be interesting to see how it plays out....

edmundfitzgerald

I'm not sure if Texas can go to the title game according to BCS rules. I believe a conference champion is a pre-requisite to making
the BCS championship game.

Someone needs to look that up, because if Texas is disqualified, and Oklahoma loses, then it will come
down to conference champions USC, Penn State, or Utah to fill the other spot.

Again, it doesn't really matter, because Bama or UF will take any team to the shed

edmundfitzgerald

OK. I just read that if OU loses, then Texas could be in the championship game if the BCS has them the highest ranked team
even though they didn't win their conference.

However, I'd love to see USC make it, so I can watch the University of Schedules Creampuffs get taken to the shed.

coinkat

Is it not already a big mess?



Stanley, here is another fine mess you've gotten me into...

jdip9

I really want to know who in their right mind could vote OU over Texas?...Tech doesn't even enter in the discussion IMO, since their non-conference schedule was atrocious (one of their wins vs. 1AA Umass).

Maybe between now and next Sunday, enough voters will wake up and flip flop on their decision to put OU on top.

MeteoriteGuy

I don't think a playoff system would help. It would just change the argument to who makes the playoff teams.

edmundfitzgerald

<< <i>I don't think a playoff system would help. It would just change the argument to who makes the playoff teams. >>



You're exactly right.

If you had to pick 8 teams this year, then which 8 would make it ? I'm sure a few teams would be
upset. But the fact of the matter is you would have 8 of the best teams in the country, and they could battle it out.

I would love to see....

Bama (1) vs. Penn State (8)
Oklahoma (2) vs. Texas Tech (7)
Texas (3) vs. Utah (6)
Florida (4) vs. USC (5)

Boise State (9) and Ohio State (10) would not make it.

I think that would be a great playoff for this year.

dallasactuary

<< <i>I really want to know who in their right mind could vote OU over Texas?...Tech doesn't even enter in the discussion IMO, since their non-conference schedule was atrocious (one of their wins vs. 1AA Umass).

Maybe between now and next Sunday, enough voters will wake up and flip flop on their decision to put OU on top. >>



This team with the atrocious non-conference schedule? The one that doesn't belong in the discussion? THEY BEAT TEXAS! The more you belittle Tech, the worse that loss looks for UT, and no amount of rationalizing makes that problem go away.

The Big 12 South has a three-way tie. Some team MUST be ranked higher than a team that beat them, there is no way around that. Oklahoma's loss came earliest in the season, which has always been the way most poll voters break ties, and their one loss came against a better team than UT's loss did.

Knowing nothing about the situation other than these two facts and I would have given you 100:1 odds that Oklahoma would end up on top of UT. That anyone who has ever seen a poll or a ranking is surprised by this is the only surprising thing to me.

larryallen73

I like the 8 teams for the playoff named above and yes someone will always complain they should have made it. The cut off has to be somewhere reasonable. 2 teams is not enough and 64 is too much (at least for football). An 8 team playoff is totally reasonable. The 9th, 10th, etc... team should have not lost 2 or more times or should move to a real conference (I love Boise State but their conference is a joke). There is some concern that teams won't get a full 12 or 13 games if playoffs are done since they would possibly have to cut the regular season to make room for the playoff games. However, they can easily do bowl games for teams 9-132 or whatever to get them up to 11 or 12 or more games. Or if the bowls are concerned about losing their prestige then make the bowl games the playoff games. 1 v. 8 is the Cotton Bowl, 3 v 6 is the Holiday Bowl, etc... and the ultimate championship is the Orange Bowl or the Rose Bowl or the whatever bowl.

As for Texas v. Texas Tech. Yes, Texas Tech beat Texas and they certainly have a good argument but one win is not enough. The whole body of work is what matters. That's why OK is above Texas. In my opinion it is splitting hairs between OK and Texas as they are both very good teams. Texas Tech is a half a notch lower in my opinion.

dallasactuary

I like the idea of a playoff, too, and maybe 8 teams is the right number. But a decision needs to be made whether teams like Utah and Boise State "count" or they don't. Any team that counts, and goes undefeated, simply has to have a chance at the title, or the playoff system immediately becomes the same joke that the current system is. We may think that Boise State couldn't beat an Alabama or a Texas, we may even be pretty sure of it, but until SOMEbody beats them we can't pretend to know. Maybe the basic structure is an 8 team playoff, but with some play-in games or bye games to squeeze in any undefeated teams.

I definitely like the idea of converting the existing bowl games into playoff games; that would ADD to the prestige of the Cotton, Holiday, etc. games and I can't imagine they would oppose it.

edmundfitzgerald

The thing we're overlooking here is that college football is actually a "Playoff" from week 1 till week 14.
Every Saturday counts in college football, and you can have "playoff" like football in September, because teams
know the consequences of losing just one football game.